Kanye just outdid every other controversial artist in the mainstream: Marilyn Manson, Death Grips, Die Antwoord...

Kanye just outdid every other controversial artist in the mainstream: Marilyn Manson, Death Grips, Die Antwoord, Varg Vikernes, Rammstein, Tyler the Creator...and even surpassed cult artists outside the mainstream like GG Allin, Death in June, and Skrewdriver. None of them are brave enough to do what Kanye did; they have been completely overshadowed. As a result, no pop artist should attempt to be transgressive because, compared to what Kanye did, everything feels bland, sanitized, politically correct, and artificial

Punk artists may have done worse things, but they have nothing to lose and don't make much of a cultural impact. What Kanye did was use all his fame to create something controversial and directly insult the industry in a way that had never been done before

Gay

Let me know when he tries to outdo Ian Watkins

Yeah I hope the rest of the album is good enough that people take this seriously. These performative word games and offense olympics the world is playing are fucking childish and stupid. Let’s move on.

implying the song itself is good

The last rockstar. God bless Ye.

This

How is it transgressive when the most powerful man in the world is already a nazi?

It's a masterpiece and everyone loves it.

Sorry Gran Gran, stick to your Neil Young On the Beach B-Sides and leave modern music to the living.

youtu.be/T30cUPkIYZQ

Rammstein does not intentionally try to be controversial.

It's a masterpiece and everyone loves it

Maybe if they're retarded

Yes, Americans, based retards, they love it.

Probably foreigners too

he doesn't listen Necropedophile by Cannibal Corpse

Yawn

It's just weak man. He's never coming back from the psychotic breaks he has had, I'm sure he's had multiple. He's way beyond fucked in the head.

weak? it's brave as fuck

He may be the single most courageous American alive. There are many Americans who speak truth to power, but very few with as much to lose as Ye.

Kanye the goat no cap

If white ppl had said those things they would already be in prison for hate crimes.

How much longer til they suicide him?

I'm on the edge of my seat to see how they retaliate... He tweeted a while ago about making himself 'jewproof'... We'll see how well he did.

Hope they lose everything too. I can't imagine his kids are missing much not being around his retarded ass

Shock is over and done with.
Until the next turning.

It would be best if I didn't say.

I hope you get hanged.

He did. No doubt about it. It's not hard to shut the fuck up. He's a hack. Not a philosopher. Not everything he thinks in private needs to be said.

If you're saying everyone who raps/sings about drugs and murder deserves to have their kids taken away that's pretty based too

No, he's really fucked up bro. I don't know who you know who is more fucked up, but Kanye is FUCKED up. Not safe to be around kids. I don't think anyone who is as fucked up as he is should be around their kids unsupervised (which I think is the caveat you left out).

Hope you seethe some more. Keep sucking this untalented faggot's cock.

yeah man the kanye revolution will be remembered for generations, those tweets changed the industry forever and no nigga will ever behave the same

The third temple will never exist, God doesn't want you there - He obliterated your temple and cast you out in 70AD, then He surrounded the region with muslims to keep you out. The 80 year curse is real and Israel will fall in your lifetime.

Yesterday, a car full of girls pulled up to me at the red light. They were smiling and gesturing for me to roll my window down.

I figured they wanted to compliment me on my Coexist sticker, so I obliged. But as soon as I rolled it down they were blasting Ye's "N-word Heil Hitler" song. Like, full blast. The bass was so loud it was making the coins in my cupholder rattle. They were all laughing and doing Hitler salutes. They were telling me to "come on do it" (the salute).

When I shook my head No, one of the girls laughed and called me the F slur. I said, "Sorry, I'm a Jewish man," assuming they would understand.

Nope. Instead they laughed even more. I heard one of the girls say "ewwwww" and they drove forward, just laughing at me the whole time.

They pulled up to the truck in front of me and asked the guy to roll his window down, and that guy actually participated. I saw the girls putting number in their phones and taking pics. Other cars started honking in support.

Everyone knew the song and was enjoying it. Not one person cared that I was curled up in my seat and being traumatized.

I got home and told my partner what happened. He said it is time for us to leave and consider moving to Israel. America is no longer a safe place for us or our baby.

Pretty much. They're all horrible people. Kids don't need that influence.

You have it quite backwards friend. I'm the opposite of a Zionist, very polar opposite.

Unfortunately you don't have anything to hope for since Jesus is not your savior. Rot in Hell.

Jesus was a Jew. You think He's happy right now? And you'll see me in hell too since you're a raging homosexual and all.

It's weak because he is flailing in the face of irrelevancy. This isn't some genius masterplan performance art piece no matter how much he(and you) wants it to be. He is just really struggling very badly with his waning career.

what would a strong response have been?

This. Holy shit. This board has always been retarded but actually buying into this is next level.

where are the obligatory niggers

Jesus was a Jew.

You mean there weren't Christians back then? Whoa. Why is this a big gotcha for you freaks? Nearly everyone was Jewish back then. You killed Jesus and 2,000+ years later you still can't own up.

id say the song is good. i dont agree with some of the lyrics, i mean every sane person that ever opened up a history book despises fascism, BUT i really dont like the jews and ye pushing creative boundaries is a good thing.

this is kinda like the south park episode where they keep saying fuck i think, all that calling everyone a nazi lost all its meaning, but maybe im misinterpreting

Stop being a retard

Stop running your mouth

Quit parading your porn addiction around

Be a halfway decent person for your kids

It's not that fucking difficult.

Going hard all in on his music again

It's gonna be something when He comes back and puts a boot up your ass, huh? It should be fairly easy since, again, you're a gigantic faggot.

Anon Babble poisoning has taken hold, seems. I came back too late to save Anon Babble. Very sad.

You're the one talking all this gay shit, nigga. You gay!

Nah you

The wit Kanye fans.

It's weak because he is flailing in the face of irrelevancy.

Name one (1) minute since Kanye has been in the public eye, in which Kanye was not one of the most significant figures in pop culture.

"Donda was kind of mid" is not irrelevance, when it was streaming millions. If your worst album results in everyone talking about it for weeks, and every paparazzi in the world is desperate to get you to say a single sentence into their microphone, that is not irrelevance.

He's had an audience of sycophantic idiots since forever. It's kinda the whole meme about him. MBDTF is literally just OK and it was worshiped on Anon Babble.

The past decade. No one gives a shit about this clown.

Objectively not regarding the content the song is ok kind of meh I like some of the background chords but the vocals aren’t particularly good

Honestly though I laugh every time I hear the song because a group of negros saying nigga heil hitler is the funniest absurdist shit to happen. He’s a fucking nut and groypers are gay but it’s just such a riddiculus situation overall

Kanye is the only genuine Punk artist right now

Yes, and he keeps that attention with his antics, not his music. That's the entire point.
Are you really going to sit there and pretend that he's been a relevant artist in the last decade? He's been a pop culture figure, he entertains us with his drama, the music doesn't go anywhere. We're not ever gonna see any real artistic impact from Donda.

I work a 9 to 5 and I'm more punk than Kanye.

If you don't see Ye as punk then you never were.

The Jesus is King Sunday Service Tour was one of the largest tours since the new millennium.

One can have a large audience of sycophantic idiots.

If you see Ye as punk you are an aforementioned sycophantic idiot fan.

I'm more punk than Kanye because I'm white

That's pretty fucking racist

I've never been in an audience with people paying to see an audience who weren't sycophantic. You must only go to festivals or never see live music.

Death In June

Ye should collab with Douglas P.

One can have a large audience of sycophantic idiots.

Wow, it's almost as if having a large audience is the definition of being relevant????

Punk is going your own way. If you can't accept that and you think it's some uniform or a list of commandments you need to be executed. Punk is dead because it wasn't meant to be defined.

Told you.

Sycophancy means you would shower praise upon the artist even if the show is underwhelming. I could name every show I've been to, and I could tell you which ones I was underwhelmed by too. Namely, Bob Dylan. His opener, Mark Knopfler, was much better. Got me into Dire Straits that night.

I don't make any arguments about relevance. My position is solely moral. Kanye is mentally ill and we shouldn't be normalizing it.

Every show I have been to people cheer regardless of what happens. That is being a sychophant. If 95% of the audience is cheering you regardless of what happens what else do you call that? I've never seen an audience turn against someone and I've been to hundreds of shows now for free.

I don't make any arguments about relevance

"It's weak because he is flailing in the face of irrelevancy."

Punk is being radically anti-conformity and anti-authority. The hitler salute is a crowd conformity ritual, literally performed conformity FOR authority. Sometimes when the authority isn't even present, indicative of a cult of personality.

Not me.

Wrong. It's playing the way you want to play. That's it. Screwdriver is punk. The Misfits are also punk. NOFX even though they are all fags like you, still punk. Anything that wants to be punk is punk. You don't get to decide. Fuck you forever.

This. Praising Hitler is pretty much the most pro-establishment thing you could do

How so? When doing so will get you deplatformed, un personed, and your life all but destroyed by said establishment?

Saying fuck the US, fuck the president, fuck the man is totally fine and rather tedious at this point.

You're getting deplatformed because it's a Hitler salute and some people in some corporations most likely think they have a moral imperative to not promote Hitler. Not gonna argue against it, personally, because it's a moral imperative I share.

Nah I like my definition better.

Which is precisely why doing so is anti-establishment.

Nothing more punk than corporations. I want to slap every DIY HXC faggot I see.

Yeah, well, you're wrong and always have been. Most of us are tired of you taking our hobby and we'd like it back now, thanks.

You could ostensibly say it's an anti-corporate expression, but I wouldn't buy it, because Nazism is most certainly pro-establishment.

Perhaps in its original context in Nazi Germany where the Nazis had power. But today? In the modern west? Praising Hitler is the surest way to get your social life, working life, etc destroyed, to get yourself ostracised, and in some cases/countries, arrested and thrown in prison. No one in the West that is openly pro-Nazi has any meaningful power or status. At best you could argue some people are potentially "crypto-Nazis", but by the sheer fact that (if they are) they have to hide their true ideologies and allegiances and deny any Nazi affiliations shows its firmly not supported by the "establishment".

Thus being an open Nazi in the modern day in the West is to be anti-establishment.

I think you could actually benefit from reading something once in a while.

Yeah you said the thing I said you could say, and I'm not buying it.

You're arguing on behalf of that statement. By doing so, you adopt the assertion.
If you don't agree with the assertion, don't defend it.

Praising Hitler is pro-establishment

How much copium do you have to be on to believe this?

You could benefit from talking to more people. Life isn't that serious, and you don't need to control everyone else to feel right about your own beliefs.

No, I'm the one who originally said the song is weak. That's where I'm coming from here.

None? It's a fact.

Trvke

Praising any kind of establishment is pro-establishment. The only truly punk ideology is communism

I don't see how you can't. You simply cannot be an open Nazi, and not just in a corporate context. I suppose the issue is you're assuming Nazis would support the current establishment as it is, which is simply not the case, and the feeling as established is mutual. Now if Nazis did have power then yes, you could say it would be pro-establishment. But being a Nazi in 2025 is not pro *this* establishment.

"Don't take it so seriously" is a thought-terminating cliche. Feel free to do your hitler salutes man, I'm not trying to stop you. I am calling you a freak though.

You're a retard. Has anyone ever told you that? I hope at least your dad paid attention and said this.

Based, but anarcho-syndicalism is also good.

You're joking right? This isn't the 60s anymore grandpa, every other cool kid and their college professor is a self-professed commie these days, it's almost a fucking requirement in academia.

We're talking about being a principled communist.

The jews are unironically going to kill him

Punk is pretty fucking gay. Grow up already.

Sophistry. It's a hitler salute.

I'm not a Hitler supporter, I support the right to support Hitler though. It's not that complicated. This piece of music is a specific story and I think it's compelling. I will never support censorship and I will die supporting the right to free speech.

no true scotsman

As expected with commies kek

College professors aren't the establishment

can't tell me nothing

black skinhead

nigga heil hitler

yup my GOAT is consistent

I don't think it is compelling lyrically or musically. Like, musically it really is actual shit, and he's putting this stuff out to see how much absolute dumpster trash he can put out and still have people listen by making it edgy.

Fallacy fallacy.

Given that they gatekeep knowledge and work within/run the institutions that breed our elite, I'd argue they very much are part of the establishment.

Consistent at making terrible music, maybe.

Punk is both the most and least gay genre of music. That's the whole point. You could tell anyone who listens to anything to grow up, it's all ridiculous entertainment. The problem I have is people who take on the mantle of punk and say no one else can be this way unless you follow X, Y, and Z. Just let us have something. You faggots have to come and literally be Nazis over music. It's supposed to be a free-for-all genre without rules and here you are defining rules for us. Fuck you!

College professors want knowledge spread around as much as possible, hence their job. It's morons like you who oppose free college who prevent it.

To each their own. I like it. That's music.

College professors encourage original thinking and empower the disenfranchised. They're punk as fuck

Beat me to it

It's strange that leftoids say that when supporting censorship, like you realize the stuff you like can be called shit by random dipshits as well? How does something being bad justify censoring it

To be transgressive you have to say nigger and heil hitler. Everything else is just being safe edgy.

Probably the most coherent post in this whole thread aside from the ones saying Kanye is a fucking retard.

I've been to college, it's just a bunch of faggots and jews and some combination of nigger faggot jew trying to get you to think their way like a lame parent.

congrats on having the same anthony fagtano quips programmed into your sheep minds

billionaire

punk

Certainly one way of looking at it. I got a lot out of it.

I went to film school and it only taught me that I don't ever want to work in Hollywood.

You're a fucking faggot. Nigga, heil Hitler.

That's assuming a lot from my post that I didn't say. I support higher education as an option for as many people as possible. But I'm also not naive and don't see the power academia and those within it wield over shaping our culture and society (most especially within the ivy league given that those universities shit out all of our future leaders).

People that like punk are retarded

I did political science. Followed my passion, felt great to talk to my professors about stuff I actually enjoy talking about.

Why can't a billionaire be punk? He makes the music he wants to make and he is exiled by much of the industry. Is there a salary cap on punk now? Better recall Green Day then, I think they still claim it. Go make a thread about them.

How much money do you make a year?

yes they are you fucking retard

Less than 100k, but I didn't do it to get a job and make money. I did it out of passion. Zero debt too. I did get a better job after getting my degrees, but that's just a happy side effect. Money just isn't that important to me.

retard punk ideology =/= punk music
also

Why can't a billionaire be punk

being punk is inherently anti establishment ENTIRELY, not anti current popular opinion, that's just being a contrarian
I'll bet you're one of those stupid faggots who unironically bought into conservatism being the "new punk"

Wordcel

NIGGA HEIL HITLER

We in Russia had Buchenwald Flava, an openly Nazi hip-hop band.
rateyourmusic.com/release/album/бyхeнвaльд-флaвa/мoй-дpyг-гитлep
Album name is "My friend Hitler"
These guys were from the football hooligan scene, there were always a lot of Nazis/skinheads.

College professors are infinitely more anti-establishment than some retarded trucker

Well done lad.

shut the fuck up you stupid faggot+ get raped

Did you ever have a professor who vehemently disagreed with your ideology or did you just stroke each other's smug egos until your final semester? You know the point of college used to be to question things, and when I did that in college I got ignored or outright insulted.

I'll bet you are one of those angry losers left behind. You need to realize your small group of nobodies doesn't define a 50 plus year stretch of Punk history. And you're gay.

Cyrillic link doesn't work
rateyourmusic.com/release/album/бухенвальд-флава/мой-друг-гитлер/

i'll tell you what punk is it's not you you're all stupid pussies

Best take.

ICANT blud is literally brainwashed!! LOL

y-y-you're gay

hit dog will always holler lol kill yourself zoomer

What's that, backwood hillbilly faggot?

How many more threads yall gonna spam? I'm not interested in buying your product

He has fuck you money, that protects him . A guy who is working class or middle class who takes a stand can lose everything and many already have

I don't see what's so edgy about it. It's 13 year old boy edgy. It's not lie a xiu xiu track where I walk away feeling dirty for listening to it. It's just hurr durr heil hitler.

BOT or retarded

says praising Hitler is pro establishment
he is a bot or troll. No human is that stupid

Because of Prince, Michael, etc. It's not just someone saying fuck the jews, it's a long time coming.

At first I thought it's kinda shit with the autotune, but the hook and the swelling horns arrangement really gets you. It's a pretty great song, frankly
Nigg𝖆 H𝖊il Hitl𝖊r!

Ah fuck (((they))) took it offff you utube

You dumbass faggot, this man is internationally famous and one of the most recognizable names of the 21st century (so far). This NIGGA MADE A SONG CALLED HEIL HITLER. When in the fuck have you ever seen somebody in a position like his publicly do what he just did? YOU HAVEN'T. It hasn't ever fucking happened dude. You're fucking talking about Xiu Xiu...you're a moron.

and Death Grips are even weaker than that
OP picked some goofy bands to compare Kanye to

because it isnt brave to be mentally ill and actively choose to ignore help. so many yes man around him just feel bad. his kids will never love him, his fans are just ss now. Hes abandoned everything hes stood on to go on a personal tirade fueled by confirmation biases and lack of accountability. All of it is his fault not the boogeyman

Imagine believing that. That band is so overt that they're contrived. They spent the entire early-middle years of their career gay-baiting and ripping off BDSM culture for shock value. You're a fucking retard. It's unbelievable how fucking dense you people are.

It's been deleted off Jewtube about 200 times already

You a trying to will a lot of stuff that is out of your control. Why do you care about his children? Are you okay, mentally? Why are you so invested?

Future CECOT resident. All that free labor's gonna be so beautiful

Jesus was a Jew.

In the bible jesus called the jews "synagogue of satan" and "a den of vipers" among many other slurs and expletives you brain dead golem.