Richard Strauss edition
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This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.
How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
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Previously, on /classical/:
Has anyone here actually listened to all of Myaskovsky's 27 symphonies? Thinking about finally doing it myself.
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honestly the only thing i know about him is Berio quoting him in his Sinfonia lol
If you're into Russian romanticism, you really ought to give him a try. In addition to the symphonies, he's got some good string quartets and cello concertos, and great cello sonatas.
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Doesn't sound more archetypically romantic than that!
Wagner.
fuckin' AI search results man
search "slowest mahler 6"
result of AI overview says "The slowest recorded version of Mahler's Symphony No. 6 is generally attributed to Harold Farberman. His 1980s recording for Vox was noted for its unusually slow tempos. Farberman's interpretation is characterized by a focus on the music's delicate beauties and emotional depths, leading to some of the slowest recordings available"
ok, let's find out
search up Farberman's Mahler 6, see a review on classicstoday
first paragraph: "Harold Farberman’s Mahler Sixth was the most successful of the clutch of Mahler symphonies he recorded for Vox in the 1980s (the others were 1, 2, 4, and 5). Claiming that Mahler was generally “played too fast”, Farberman determined to set things right by leading some of the slowest performances on disc. Thankfully he did not hold this opinion about Symphony No. 6, as he leads a strongly vibrant performance with good, generally upbeat tempos in all four movements."
-_-
Granted, it's still 88 minutes long so it's still slightly slower than most, but we're talking like 5-9 minutes longer, not quite what I was looking for. Yes, I realize as I finish typing this up the AI was technically correct, but surely there's got to be slower!
scriabin was bonkers
just
Bach best compositions are just covers of Vivaldi
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I don't know why you want to intentionally listen to a horrible performance
I enjoy the occasional slow performance of any piece, and many of them rank among my very favorites.
lol
Vivaldi > Bach. That said, Bach's best compositions are Art of Fugue and Goldberg Variations.
It would be more accurate to say that Vivaldi had five hundred ideas for a concerto, and that none of them ever was fully worked out. It is only after his wonderful opening bars, his extraordinary beginnings (which taught J. S. Bach so much), that his concertos bog down and begin to resemble each other in the deployment of harmonic cliches-cliches which would not matter (as they do not matter in Handel) if the large harmonic form were coherent and interesting, the cliches given a sense of direction and movement instead of a feeling of jogging on a treadmill.
Vivaldi's operas are coming in for attention now: the same faults and virtues are manifest there. The arias begin strikingly, but continue with little of Handel's energy, Bach's intensity, or Alessandro Scarlatti's subtlety. These deficiencies are less crippling here: an aria is generally much shorter than a concerto movement. In comparing Vivaldi to Bach and Handel, some of his admirers (Marc Pincherle, for example) either refused to face his weaknesses, or else-what is worse-they never understood the strengths of the already established masters.
chauvinistic nonsense
lurk at least two years before posting.
I've been here longer than you, bachfag.
I'm more of a Telemann fan.
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Ormandy did some good strauss.
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Bach insists upon himself, I find.
Wagner.
what a decadent recording
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Reflections on Bernstein’s 1956 “Messiah”
By Mark Risinger
In his review of Leonard Bernstein’s 1956 performance of “Messiah” for the New York Times, Harold Schonberg wrote, “In short, a present-day 'Messiah' depends upon the taste of the conductor and his singers. And taste is often a subjective matter.” This observation lies at the heart of what made the performance controversial at the time, because it was so thoroughly a product of the conductor’s taste. The version that Bernstein presented with the New York Philharmonic – a pastiche of his favorite numbers with an expanded orchestration and in an order of his own choosing – had excitement and drama and his individual stamp on it throughout. The mistake that Bernstein and many others have made – including a commentator just last week on Interlochen Public Radio – is trying to explain and justify their choices in terms of a Handelian precedent, rather than personal taste, when it is unnecessary to do so.
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for unto us, the son is here...
Post your favorite:
motet
mass
madrigal
oratorio
cantata
concerto
fugue
suite
symphony
sonata
string quartet
For that much work and information, I'd expect some kind of compensation.
now playing, another lesser-known composer, this time Heinrich von Herzogenberg
start of Herzogenberg: Symphony No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 50
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start of Herzogenberg: Symphony No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 70
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one community reviewer writes
Heinrich von Herzogenberg (1843-1900) was a conservative Berlin composer initially influenced by Schumann and later by Brahms. He was in conflict with the Wagnerism of his day. He was also influenced by the eminent Bach scholar Philipp Spitta. He wrote eight symphonies.
This guy also has some string quartets, a piano quartet, some piano pieces, and a Mass, so lots of music to explore if this is any good. Should be fun. Here's the Mass for you choral-anons:
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You're on an anonymous imageboard, anon, if you seek compensation, you'll have to look elsewhere.
btw, if the choral-music-recommendations anon is around, what did you think of the Messiah recordings I posted in the last thread? He's usually on around this time...
I haven't been on /classical/ the last couple of days, so I didn't see your posts. Appreciate the recommendations though. I also looked around on my own and listened to the Minkowski recording, which I see now you recommended as well. Was nice on the first listen, but I think I need to give it a more focused relisten.
I haven't listened to any Messiah though, because I realized it's in English and I usually don't like sung English lol.
he isn’t being paid to post in this trash heap
he actually does it for free
mfw
Messiah is one of the finest oratorios ever composed, you won't regret listening to it, I promise. Utter genius. Well, whenever you're ready, all of those recordings will still be around:
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searching for which Mahler 2 recording I feel like listening to today and this recent one popped up. Simone Young a good conductor?
MAHLER: Symphony No. 2 "Resurrection" BARTON: Of the Earth (world-premiere recording) - This recording marks Simone Young and the Sydney Symphony Orchestra's debut on the Deutsche Grammophon label. Rave, exultant reviews greeted these outstanding performances, captured live, and now presented to the world by Deutsche Grammophon.
Also contains a world-premiere of some contemporary classical, something I'm always a fan of.
indigenous Australian composer William Barton
lol oh, nvm
going with this one, if anyone cares. I'm a huge fan of Levine's Mahler and I haven't heard this recording before (his cycle omitted the 2nd symphony, for those who don't know or don't remember).
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BATTLE OF THE BEETHOVENS
Violin Concerto or Piano Concerto No. 5?
Piano Trio No. 7, 'Archduke' or Violin Sonata No. 9, 'Kreutzer'?
Symphony No. 3 or Symphony No. 6?
Cello Sonata No. 5 or Violin Sonata No. 5, 'Spring' or Piano Trio No. 5, 'Ghost'?
Symphonies or Piano Sonatas or String Quartets?
Piano Sonata No. 14, 'Moonlight' or Piano Sonata No. 23, 'Appassionata'?
String Quartet No. 15 or Piano Sonata No. 29, 'Hammerklavier'?
Symphony No. 9 or String Quartet No. 14 or Missa Solemnis?
String Quartet No. 13 or Piano Sonata No. 32?
Piano Sonata No. 8 'Pathetique,' Piano Sonata No. 21 'Waldstein,' & Piano Sonata No. 26, 'Les Adieux' or Symphonies No. 5, 7, & 8?
damn could really go on forever, hope this isn't too much as is
Violin concerto
Archduke
3rd Symphony
5th Cello Sonata
Symphonies
Appassionata
String Quartet 15
Symphony 9
Piano Sonata 32
5th + 7th + 8th Symphonies
Some of those are super-close to call.
What's the point of these random juxtapositions?
you pick whichever one you like more, it's just for fun. i do try and pick matchups between works that are of similar quality, stature, context, and/or 'weight'
for ones in the past,
mozart
bach
and i've been meaning to do beethoven and more but been lazy
but yeah, just for fun and content and perhaps discussion
You could just ask people to post their Beethoven top 10 or whatever.
yeah you can't ever go wrong with one of his recordings, which is great because for a conductor he was incredibly prolific, often bringing his talents to neglected pieces which had no other quality recordings or even recordings at all, the largest and most laudable part of his legacy imo
his son, Paavo Jarvi, seems to be following a similar path, he's also pretty good, though with a more 'in-your-face,' dynamic, hammering style whereas Neeme had more sensitivity.
sure but that's a different thing, plus this simplifies matters, which is better for something that's just for fun
>motet
Lobo - versa est in luctum
>mass
Dufay - se la face ay pale
>madrigal
Monteverdi - tempro la cetra
>oratorio
Haydn - creation
>cantata
Bwv 34
>concerto
Mozart 19
>fugue
Bach - e major from wtc bk 2
>suite
Rameau - a minor
>symphony
Schubert 9
>sonata
Beethoven op. 109
>string quartet
Haydn - sunrise