Bartok at the piano edition
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such a great set
found this really good Bach recording earlier today, played in a romantic style
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I don't always want my Bach to sound like Chopin, but on occasion it's very nice, like here.
played in a romantic style
Meaning?
I know it when I hear it. Listen to it.
Wagner = Marx
that's not really romantic style Bach, pretty modern i would say
romantic piano style was almost uniformally characterized by left/right hand separation (in fact this practice goes back to CPE) wherein the left hand or right hand would sometimes go before or after the other (usually the left hand), with variance in volume and tempo, to create a sense of asynchronous tempo rubato as well as distinguish the two hands tonally
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not romantic, but not bad
it has personality
Maybe I just don't have much else to compare it to. I can definitely hear it in that Bauer performance though, that's great. I was also going off the review that put me onto the recording:
Edna Stern’s 2005 Bach recital on the Zig-Zag Territories label represented an unabashedly Romantic and ravishingly pianistic attitude to this composer that has long passed into history. Few modern pianists can pull off such an approach, but Stern’s sincerity, conviction, and masterful control of the concert grand was both disarming and mesmerizing. The same can be said about her First, Second, and Sixth Partitas.
and it sounds that way to me, but again, maybe my frame of reference is off. And yeah, I really like it, grabbed a couple of her other recordings, including Chopin and Schubert.
random retard on amazon doesn't actually know what romantic piano playing sounds like
news at 11
i think it mostly comes down to people misunderstanding sentimental performance practice with romantic performance practice, the two are often inappropriately conflated
for example, Earl Wild was often called "the last romantic" but his style was never really romantic as far as the tradition from that period, i.e. 19th century performers, was concerned. he was maybe willful or sentimental, and he had a grand style, but not really romantic. Horowitz was the last romantic.
lol, it's by Jed Distler:
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i think it mostly comes down to people misunderstanding sentimental performance practice with romantic performance practice, the two are often inappropriately conflated
I think that nails it on the head, yeah.
Horowitz was the last romantic.
That's why I see that phrase everywhere, including the title of a book I perused last time I went browsing at Goodwill.
wow, i can't take jed seriously anymore. what a dunce.
if Marx wasn't a retarded lazy amoral Jewish degenerate.
ftfy.
Edna Stern
Stern
added her to my library for obvious reasons
Wagner is product of the bourgeoisie, ie a piece of shit like Marx. Whoever takes those 2 seriously should be shot. the humanist propaganda is that people are mean, not inherently, but because they dont have the material condition to coom.
Once they are rich and have the easy life that humans want, all people are happy and hug each other.
of course the same humanist propaganda says that people who become rich are inherently mean, bc ''money & absolute power corrupt absolutely'' and rich people become selfish forever. It's impossible to stop being selfish alone, this is why all atheists want bureaucrats to make rich people poorer.
so you have the atheist dilemma: the atheist want to coom, they need money for this and they say money will make people happy. but once people have money they coom alone instead of making other people coom. Atheists also need a whole intellectual apparatus to feel mentally safe about their way of life.
This is because atheists and women have no morality beyond hedonism, but still have the deep desire to see themselves and being told that they are virtuous. However, hedonists know that they are subhumans, and since nobody tell atheists that they are righteous, they are addicted to self-made stories where they self insert and are righteous, ie ''because they say so'' lol.
Don't forget that atheists and women are natural born schizophrenic so they dont have any critical thinking in their lizard brain. IE they actually survive by being sex and drug addicts because they see nothing wrong with building a narrative in their little heads were they pass as righteous.
This is why also in atheism, the society is build on commentaries, by editors, journalists and the plebs, and the topics are female centered, ie about sex and crimes (and most against women).
Whenever I see you guys use 'humanist' so derisively, I'm always curious what your opposing, preferred viewpoint is instead. So?
Also this isn't Anon Babble, anon.
now playing, gonna go through this cycle
start of Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 2 "A London Symphony"
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Just from the first movement of this 2nd, I can tell his recording and overall cycle is gonna be special. Guess I shouldn't have waited so long to finally give Boult's a try.
Whenever I see you guys use 'humanist' so derisively, I'm always curious what your opposing, preferred viewpoint is instead. So?
One that values all life and does not everything is here for our sake
2 hours 45 minutes
wth Händel
Was time faster in 1726 or what?
Looking for modern composers, will give it a try, thanks anon
I play piano professionally
Starting to have to turn down gigs because I am getting busy and some people are insufferable assholes
Whats your repertoire?
Why tease us with Bartok and switch it, here's what Bartok's about
Nancarrow, Cage, and Wuorinen.
I'm trans btw.
Who are the best lolcow modern "composers"? Like I'm talking the people that spam Musescore with amateur fugues or Youtube with finale renderings of their terrible symphonies and shit. Thanks
Hans Zimmer
Psych ward time, as I pointed out
whatismusic123
the indian loser lost again
ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
Just listened to Beethoven's 8th. Are there any pieces I should check out before the 9th or just jump into 9 immediatly and go through Beethoven's catalogue non-chronologically after that?
Just dive right in and listen to what you want when you want. I understand the idea of wanting to be ready and prepared before listening to a specific masterpiece if it requires some prerequisite knowledge or acclimation in order to best enjoy it, and there are indeed a few pieces like that throughout classical music, but for Beethoven, you're fine, it's universal music, music for all of humanity, anytime.
Hope you enjoy! My favorites of his symphonies are his 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 9th.
Lost? I replied last so I "won" in your little brain, insomniac.
I already listened to all the previous symphpnies chronologically
Well, then, now you're *really* prepared for the 9th! Enjoy. Hope you picked a good recording, but if you've been enjoying the other 8 from the same set/cycle then I'm sure you'll enjoy the 9th too.
One day until weekend, what grand pieces are you guys going to listen to this weekend?
Listening to the Kegel set.
The usual stuff. Considering giving opera another try though, with Mozart's The Magic Flute (probably the Klemperer recording but I'll look into others) if I do.
Ah nice. My personal recommendation is whenever you listen to any of them again in the future, to try out a different recording each time, just to get some familiarity with various conductors and their styles and ways of playing Beethoven and music in general. Myself I generally do like a 30-70 ratio, with 30% of the time I listen to recordings I already love, and 70% I try a new one or at the least revisit one I think warrants another try. That's what works best for me, anyway, to maximize enjoyment, keep things fresh, and explore as many great recordings and approaches to wonderful music as I can.
Which symphony has been your favorite so far?
Listen to the Böhm recording, if you want one with visuals, this one is very good for a translation
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Otherwise if you want the original german, watch the opera De Paris version with subs
I do love Bohm's Mozart, but same with Klemperer, haha. Thanks for the rec, we'll see. I'm not sure if I plan on watching it as well or just listening to it, and if the latter, whether to follow along with the words and story on my phone or solely focus on the music, plot and words be damned.
let's start the day with
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start of J.S. Bach: Suite for Cello Solo No. 3 in C Major, BWV 1009
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now playing
So the other day someone recommended me Janigro's set of Bach's Cello Suites, and it's marvelous and played very, very slow. Recommendations for recordings of the Solo Violin Sonatas and Partitas with a similar tempo and approach?
have a quick read of the libretto before listening
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Gonna dig into Salonen's Stravinsky set. Hope it's good! If not, then I'll find another, so either way a lot of Stravinsky, preferably a set by a single conductor for the recordings.
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I prefer just watching the story unfold in real time when expierencing any opera. Reading the libretto beforehand feels like reading a screenplay before watching a movie
Wow, thank you very much! Gonna enjoy reading the background about the Klemperer recording as well, whether or not I listen to it.
I'm sure they meant if I choose not to watch a performance and only listen to the music, in which case reading the libretto beforehand is a great idea. Or at least the Act I'm about to listen to, pausing it once it finishes, and repeat for the next. I might do that.
Stravinsky's Petrushka, a cup of Vietnamese coffee, and nicotine; already a wonderful morning.
Best is to just do it the intended way of watching it. You shouldn't be scared of watching translations, even in Opera's prime people watched them translated in their own language
You shouldn't be scared of watching translations
That's not the issue. I'm mostly interested only in the music is all. You're right though, perhaps I should wait until I'm in the mood for the proper, entire experience by sitting down and watching it. I'll think about it.
If you just wanna listen to the music, an oratorio is best due to being concert pieces
What is the common consensus of Beethovens Eroica? Is it considered one of his best or weakest? It sticks out as being very long compared to every other symphony he wrote besides the ninth
doesn't even have guitar solos or beat boxing.
it's a no from me.
Actually are there any good guitar concertos besides Vivaldi's? That one technically has guitar solos
His best symphony
Sincerely? What makes you like it more than 7, 6, 5 or 9?
It's better
Vivaldi
lmao. that garbage doesn't even have synth pads or bass drops.
Overrated: Antonio Vivaldi. I'm tired of him. Stravinsky once said that Vivaldi wrote the same concerto 500 times. I disagree. Instead, I think he began 500 concertos and never achieved anything in them. So he kept trying over and over again without ever quite succeeding.
But like... Why?
It is
Low iq post, and obviously a low iq kike like stravinsky would say that. Vivaldi is the mozart of the baroque
/classical/ btfo:
Overrated: Vivaldi. He has recently become Mr. Baroque, and that is not fair to Bach and Handel. His music does not have the substance, the innovative quality or the passion of the greatest composers. Of course, it's perfectly good music and it makes the listener feel good, but there is no door opening as there is with the great masters.
But like... Why
Dumb
I love mongolian throat singing
Megalomania, narcissism, delusions of grandeur:
Beethoven
Wagner
Mahler
Schoenberg
Stockhausen
Berlioz
Scriabin
Avoid these composers
First 3 are good
I do love oratorios. I just also wanna finally explore operas and its masterpieces.
Only Scriabin is good.
Better melodies.
Top-tier, a masterpiece, one of the greatest achievements in all of music.
What's not to like? It just sounds so good, it rouses the spirit, and is exciting and moving start to finish, never a dull moment.
A more honest answer: better melodies. Which is true: Eroica contains best Beethoven melodies and melodies are the most important.
Ode to Joy alone beats every melody in the 3rd
No.
lmfao
single word responses
no actual counterargument
A bunch of WTC preludes and fugues, a few Mozart sonatas, some Debussy preludes, most of Bartok's Mikrokosmos, a couple Beethoven sonatas, two of Bach's English suites and French suites and one partita, a few Chopin waltzes and preludes, three of his études, and a few small pieces by other composers like Satie and Ravel.
Beerhoven symphonies
9 > 3 > 7 > 6 > 5 > 4 > 2 > 1
yeah, but can you play Billy Joel?
the 9th is the worst symphony just for having a choral movement
ends his greatest work on a movement with the greatest and most significant instrument, the human voice
Based
fuck the human voice. it sounds like shit.
Life denying post
There was no argument for a counterargument to exist, brainlet.
Nah
yes.
I need music made with mechanical contraptions instead of the natural instrument all music was initially written for
Golem mindset, go listen to electronic music you fucking pleb lmao. Classical is not for you
the most retarded post in this thread:
There is no "worst" Beethoven symphony as all of them are 10/10 masterpieces and testaments to the Germanic spirit
Faustian spirit is a more accurate term but ok.
Beethoven should've been slapped hard and told to write a cantata and not mess with a genre (symphony) made for INSTRUMENTAL music.
You don't like symphonic form and tradition. Fuck off.
Symphonies started as a way to open Operas and Oratorios, a choral movement is the most symphonic possible ending to a symphony. Seems like you just hate classical music, might want to go back to
Sinfonia is already an orchestral form. Doesn't matter what came before or after, an orchestral form was defined and it had no vocal accompaniment until Beethoven decided to fuck things up.
Again, you don't like orchestral music, which (orchestra itself) is one of the highest achievements of mankind, sounds like you need to make your own "choral" general, fucking off.
Poor bait
Pikaizen
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Beethoven completed the symphony, your thinking is decadent
Autism
What should I listen to after? Was thinking Brahm's first symphony and the symphonies of Mahler
Eins, hier kommt die Sonne
Zwei, hier kommt die Sonne
Drei, sie ist der hellste Stern von allen
Vier, und wird nie vom Himmel fallen
Fünf, hier kommt die Sonne
Sechs, hier kommt die Sonne
Sieben, sie ist der hellste Stern von allen
Rammstein > Vagner
why is the w poster so obsessed with tannhauser
imagine listening to wagner outside of the few preludes and overtures
lmao
There is nothing in this world that is as interesting, majestic and powerful as Wagner. If a thought occupies your mind and its not Wagner, then just be silent. Don't talk. Don't do anything. Think only when Wagner comes to your mind, write only when Wagner is in the sentence, speak only when Wagner is created by your larynx. Nothing. Else. Matters.
I have a piece in my head but dont remember what it is , I dont know what key its in but if it was in d minor it would be the notes : d e d c# repeating over and over in a dotted rythm and it is followed by a descending harmonic minor scale in dotted rythm too. It has a very similar feel to dance of the knights by prokofiev so maybe its by a russian composer but I dont remember. Help me please its driving me crazy.
It's just symphonies you're interested in? Brahms, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Dvorak, late Mozart, Haydn's London Symphonies, Schubert's 8 and 9, Tchaikovsky 4-6, Rachmaninoff, tone poems of Strauss. I'd hold off on Mahler until you've at least tackled some of the ones I just named first, but that's just my view.
If more than symphonies, but still orchestral music, then you'll of course want to add in stuff like violin and cello and piano concertos.
Also I didn't mean all of the symphonies by those above, just at least one from each perhaps over time, while delving deeper into those you like more.
Not clicking dat ip grabber
For me, it's Terry Riley - In C.
If you do go with Brahms, I'd probably recommend this cycle. There are many great ones, I just think this is an ideal one to start with as well.
Mainly thinking of Brahms because of the one critic from the time calling it "Beethoven's 10th", so it should be right up my alley.
But I will probably check out the late sonatas and string quartets first.
Is Beethovens Triple Concerto as bad as people claim?
Don't forget about the other named piano sonatas, piano concertos 4 and 5, the violin concerto, cello sonatas 3-5, violin sonatas as well if you haven't heard them. But yes Brahms would be a nice place to go next. Oh, and the piano trios 5 and 7, aka Ghost and Archduke.
No. It's not a masterpiece, it's not up to par for what you'd expect from Beethoven, but it's more than listenable.
I did listen to the fourth concerto, will definitely be listening to the others too
Enjoy :) In fact I'mma listen to Piano Trio No. 7 Archduke myself right now. Now that's a transcendent masterpiece, among Beethoven's many.
I don't care what anyone else says. Pathetique is the first piece of romantic music ever written. Anyone familiar with piano will agree.
What music you guys listen to besides Classical?
Why does everyone default to that painting? It looks cool but Beethoven didnt look like this for most of his life
There's nothing worth listening to once you start understanding classical
they
45% classical
45% jazz
10% Bob Dylan
Recommendations for Bach's Christmas Oratorio? Preferably nice and festive feeling. I generally prefer historically informed conducting for Bach, but don't care about period instruments.
Corboz
no wait for december