The 2020s are quite possibly the worst decade in history for music. I would rather listen to cavemen hitting sticks than any of this garbage. Why has music gotten so creatively bankrupt? And no, there isn't any "underground artists/genres" that are secretly making good musicor that im just a pessimistic asshole, there hasn't been ANY worthwhile new music in the last 5 years that wasn't made by already established and respected artists. All the new stuff is just zoomers recycling good music in a mediocre way. And if it is actually new, it's garbage ironic shart.
Is music actually dead bros?
The 2020s are quite possibly the worst decade in history for music...
Taylor Swift
we should ban everyone who makes these kinds of threads
Shart
Kill yourself poptimist. It's the truth and it's why this board is dead and it's corpse is being desecrated by coomer garbage
Have you noticed how all art has turned to shit, not just music? The problem is civilization-level.
then make a thread about actual music instead of making a shitty bait complaining thread
Threads about actual music get barely any replies. People are only interested in politics and cooming.
I WANNA SEE OLIVIA’s RODRIGO
SOPHIE was meant to lead mainstream music forward after PRODUCT but we all know what happened there (drug use and subsequent schizophrenic breakdown / trooning)
Anon Babble is dying because muh music is dead, yet other music discussion platforms like RYM and AOTY are bigger than ever. Curious. Maybe a better explanation is that Anon Babble has become an shittified version of itself and its existing user base has lost any youthful passion for music while the type of person it now attracts doesn't care about music atleast not for the purpose of talking about it
RYM and AOTY
Trooners jerking off about their shitty pop/rap isn't quality discussion, it's group masturbation.
By masturbation, you mean it's a very basal pleasure? As in the pleasure of enjoying music? Or the conversation itself? I'll admit there's no shortage of people willing to speed run albums and call them mid or fire or some theater kid alteration of an existing phrase. But you can't deny the people there who are passionate about music and can talk about it in depth
The current contemporary sound is one of four sounds, or those four sounds being mixed, and matched; Shoegaze, Post-Punk, '80s Synth-pop/New Wave, and "Lo-fi".
And even then, these throwback styles, and sounds have been around for the past ten to fifteen years. One of the biggest albums released this decade was by a band who established themselves twenty four years ago. The New Abnormal by The Strokes.
I almost got whiplash by some of the releases this year, and not in a good way. The Hives and Franz Ferdinand are both releasing new albums this year, Franz already did, I think, but The Zutons also recently released a single. Arcade Fire is going to release a new album in May, and Gorillaz has plans for releasing a new album, whether that be this year or the next.
Other than The New Abnormal, I can't think of an album that has been paraded by almost everyone, if it wasn't just artifically boosted through memes like Brat by Charli XCX. I've seen countless people repost memes about that album, solely because of the album cover, and they didn't even know that it was an album to begin with.
Also, we're not doing our part, nobody here actually cares about new releases, I've seen countless albums being released that just aren't getting talked about on here, and if they are, it's to talk exclusively about the artist, rather than the music itself.
Diamond Jubilee gets released? It's shit because "muh culture war" instead of actually giving it a listen. Black Country, New Road release a new album? Well, they were never good to begin with "because muh contrarianism.".
Is music actually dead bros?
I have no fucking clue. kek.
She's still very popular now, but she's a decade's old act.
She's closer to the era when The Strokes or Coldplay began, than artists like Oliva Rodrigo or Billie Eilish.
She released her first album in 2006 and yet she's the most important artist of the 2020s. Says it all about how stagnant and terrible this decade has been
True creativity is created at the tail ends of distributions and technology has cursed humans with the ability to solve everything for equilibrium.
The mediocre has taken over. Sports, movies, books, everything has been "solved" to eek out the most rewards with the minimal amount of effort. Why don't music execs lets bands fuck around in the studio for a year and a half anymore? Because they ran the numbers and realized that the best return on their investment is having dumb pop sluts dance around on stage to beats made by a Swedish DJ who wrote it in under 5 minutes while on the toilet. It started in finance but broke out of its containment with Sabermetrics, eventually spreading like fungal disease into everything.
tl;dr people who own capital and want returns on their investment aren't willing to fund great art when the average normgroid will settle for a lot less.
This thread is mostly ChatGPT posts.
Tyler Swift
it's why this board is dead and it's corpse is being desecrated by coomer garbage
Unfortunately, this board would if it weren't for the shitty /kpop/ and /wpop/ gen threads
Culture is dead, we live in the age of slop
Is there a way to revitalize it without outright banning social media?
You summed it up perfectly. Fuck the hyper+commercialization of music.
Chinese EMP. I don't think most analog/acoustic gear would die from it.
No
there hasn't been ANY worthwhile new music in the last 5 years that wasn't made by already established and respected artist
this is not true, there are indie spaces that have this but they're objectively harder to find.
we are living in the aftermath of a few things
1. the explosion of identity politics becoming the driving force of everything on the internet
this will probably get people mad in the replies, they are part of this problem. social issues now swallow just about every discussion about everything else anywhere on the internet. it goes in every direction. on a site like reddit, discussion about something else (if you're on a popular page especially) will weave into criticisms of political opponents, and on Anon Babble, it has resulted in a "whisper down the alley" type belief that every discussion on here was *always* painted with an edgy and larping, nick fuentes-style white nationalist hecking epic pepe thing (not true, by the way).
you might be wondering what that has anything to do with the bigger state of music - but keep in mind that at one point, Anon Babble was notorious for being secretly browsed and posted on by actual, big-name celebrities. sometimes, artists that would blow up in a year or two explicitly posted here with their full name on display. across the internet, particularly on sites like Anon Babble, the eternal politics flame war has scared off just about anyone who prioritizes music or artistic discussion and in general wards off anyone with good taste (be it musically or socially). creative ideas ACROSS the internet, not just on places like Anon Babble, are given less space to breathe than ever. particularly ALSO, because:
2. there are no websites anymore
pitchfork, Anon Babble, Anon Babbleindieheads, RYM, what.cd, blogspot, sharethreads, the fader (and other indie rags) and sadly - increasingly - bandcamp. all sites that have been either explicit victims or collateral damage to the Platform-ening of the internet.
fuck these are out of order. i don't give a shit, i'll delete the post and post them in order when Anon Babble lets me
there we go
special interests, like music, are minimized on the “platforms” of the modern internet. think genuinely of the last time you went into comments sections on facebook, instagram, replies on twitter, even new platforms like bluesky and threads. were you able to find any genuinely viral discussions/posts that were raising some kind of genuine question solely related to the worth of a piece of music without piggybacking off the larger, previously established mass-media adopted social campaign? again, it does not matter which side of that social campaign you are on. you are unconsciously prioritized to inject it into every single thing you post online in the name of heightened engagement metrics for these platforms. these platforms natively exploit the universal human desire to speak truth to power and have already ended any other space on the internet where you could be perceived to be doing anything but that. it ensures people that are angry with you will be in your replies, making them more money.
the base-level discussion about the intricacies of a piece of music is just lost revenue in the eyes of a social media CEO - a problem, since those are the only spots on the internet left with any sort of real traffic. see point 1 for how this would discourage innovation amongst artists.
3. apart from discussion, the music industry has undone most of the democratization of the internet’s effect on itself
the early 2010’s were a hugely important moment in several ways. tools like soundcloud and bandcamp were in their early stages of mass adoption, and as such were genuinely exciting new iterations on the idea of indie music.
this, unfortunately, was always going to be riding a downward slope of authenticity as major labels would quickly catch on and warp tools like this into personal shopping malls. at first it was a hyper-speed realization of the classic “big label snatches up indie star” routine, and at its current point, it may as well just be the major league’s minor league affiliate. this was always going to happen, probably, due to oversaturation, but streaming also doesn’t help.
in the early days of spotify and other streamers, music discovery typically happened very closely to how it did during the days of Napster, Limewire, and private torrent trackers. places like Anon Babble thrived in acting as a barometer of taste (and a technological entry point) to accessing high-quality music. it formed a really nice, symbiotic relationship with becoming the place for the discussion of the music itself, as well. when spotify first started becoming mass adopted, you still needed to know what to enter into the search bar to find good stuff. plus, crucially, there was a lot of music missing from spotify from its first few years of adoption that would force users to seek alternative means.
that’s all gone now. as is the case with point 2, music streaming apps work similarly to social media apps in that they are hyper-focused on engagement metrics. for a streaming app, that means interacting with it and solely it.
algorithmic playlists exist solely to get you to not actively look around for new music, as doing that would probably result in you seeking out a place like Anon Babble (well, old Anon Babble) and any time not spent in their app is lost revenue to their shareholders (sound familiar?). so this plan has mostly worked without a hitch for Spotify, and most music listeners have the least amount of input over their day in listening as they ever have through recorded history. probably even less than the days of the radio or mtv
alternatives in physical locations such as numerous clubs (even in small towns) and record stores existed. not to mention a more independent radio space that wasn’t *entirely* owned by one conglomerate.
it may feel like you have choice, given your choice between music streamers (with that being uh, pretty much 2 with amazon and google limping behind) - but then you realize that the 3 record labels that own most music ever recorded (even way more than just 10-15 years ago, seriously, the size of the monopoly that those three hold is insane) are all direct investors to every single music streaming platform worth a damn (and even the ones that aren’t).
labels own the streamers + algorithmic complacency = users being explicitly incentivized to never leave their comfort zone and only give streams to the biggest, most “proven” and “sure bet” musicians that have ever existed.
this is plain to anyone with eyes. take a look around Anon Babble.
indie music, discussing it or listening to it, is lost revenue to the shareholders of spotify and the big 3 record labels. it takes away precious seconds you could be combing through your Discover playlist or whatever the hell. just lost revenue.
when you combine all three problems, you get the most inhospitable landscape to interesting music that’s existed since i’ve been alive. a handful of companies dictate the way you use the internet, they’ve prioritized yelling at each other about politics, and they’ve erased all other functional outlets for any sort of artistic development or even discussion. it’s just lost revenue
so what happens
we can’t really do anything about it. it’s a fad, but a particularly annoying and long-lasting one. ultimately, in my opinion, the bottom will fall out from a lot of these current pillars of the internet. most people i talk to are sick of using the internet outside of messaging family and friends or playing video games. americans in particular are already largely poor, and when faced with rising subscription costs and the pricing out of THE american staple of entertainment, there will, at the absolute worst, be a big, collective, economic shift that signals displeasure with every “app’s” current business model. this will probably manifest in one to two high profile collapses signaling to streaming companies and record labels that the barrier to entry is a bit too high, and they’ll wrangle it back down. apart from the industry, the growing distaste to discussion at large might get a lot worse.
but it’s a fad, all of it. it’ll end, just like all fads in world history do.
If I were to ask OP for examples of music from this decade he'd just mention top 40 artists. This board is so out of touch, it's not even funny.
And no, there isn't any "underground artists/genres" that are secretly making good music
lo-fi bedroom projects are where it's at, dawg. sometimes they even expand into full bands that play live and go on tours. it's mostly kids following in Car Seat Headrest's footsteps across a few different styles of music.
This board is so out of touch, it's not even funny.
If only the people here actually came here to learn about and discuss new music.
worth a mention that even Anon Babble is a victim of this platform thing, even though it was the first place that the whole "anger metrics" trend was tested
she's the most important artist of the 2020s.
that's Bad Bunny actually, Taylor Swift's success this decade has a lot to do with her old music (reissues, tour), The Weeknd is around her level if we just include recent music
Taylor, the Creator
any time not spent in their app is lost revenue to their shareholders
how so? almost all of their revenue is from subscriptions
labels own the streamers
Spotify is bigger than all the majors combined actually
indie music, discussing it or listening to it, is lost revenue to the shareholders of spotify
half of Spotify streams are for independent artists
Welcome to Indiachan, thank you Elon Musk sir!
how so? almost all of their revenue is from subscriptions
subscriptions revenue has a ceiling, a ceiling that is fast approaching. this is why there has been such a pivot to audiobooks as well as free trial + rate increases up the ass for not only spotify, but all streamers. spotify are one of the only games in town as far as that goes, but the ceiling is fast approaching.
any digital product (app, platform) needs moment-to-moment user retention to feed a psychological picture of value. spotify has to be your one-stop-shop, or it risks losing you to youtube search, file sharing, or apple music. same goes for not only apple music but any other streaming platform.
Spotify is bigger than all the majors combined actually
labels own at least 7% of Spotify, but the fact of the matter is that their licensing agreements are the key to Spotify's entire business model. it guarantees them the lion's share of revenue generated from royalties on the platform and Spotify no longer has to deal with its original problem of missing out on big name artists' back catalogs.
these agreements are negotiated with the explicit condition that these streams pay out at a higher rate. so even if
half of Spotify streams are for independent artists
is true, their position is both
1. de-prioritized (check out any of the "big" playlists that indies were at once clamoring to be on, you'll find a lot of subsidiaries of the big 3) and
2. make less money per stream for independent artists, de-incentivizing their participation
feeding into OP's point that the 2020s have been largely the stomping ground of the traditionally biggest artists around
the board is actually worse than this chart would imply since most of the posts are now from kpop threads
youtube.com
timestamps broken in embeds for some reason. timestamp is 3:58
half of Spotify streams are for independent artists
25%, plus they own the indies now lol
the quiet part out loud
Why are there so many AI-generated walls of text in here?
it's called "discussion" man. i know it's going to become a rarity if unchecked, unfortunately, but a lot of people do actually know how to read
This board is so pointless.
music board that hates literally all new music
Great idea. I'm sure the discussion won't get increasingly stale and repetitive until the board is nothing but coombait and meta complaining threads.
Come on, these are so clearly bot-generated it's not even funny.