An Ukrainian diva has begged me into taking control over her & her career, and I have connections in the industry, but have never worked as a talent agent before; how do I get her music as quickly & widely distributed as possible?
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An Ukrainian diva has begged me into taking control over her & her career, and I have connections in the industry...
try to make her go viral on tik tok
that song is trash
Good advice.
Thank you for your helpful criticism; try some drugs before listening again, then tell come back tell us how it sounds when you're high.
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just cum in her throat several times and then tell her to fuck off, ukranian women are trash, stay away
I'm taking her to tryout at Sapphire in a few days so she can make some quick cash.
But how tho? And why tho?
But how tho?
"bitch suck this dick if you want me to make you famous and make sure you swallow"
And why tho?
To coom
Ah, thx, fren!
to coom
I didn't mean "why do it," I meant to ask "why are Ukrainian women trash?"
They are the biggest gold diggers on the planet. When the USSR fell they used to marry some random foreigner and then leech off his last cent while sending everything back home. The loser would literally wage cuck to provide a normal lifestyle to the whore's mother in Ukraine. They are notorious super sluts full of STDs and there are exactly ZERO Ukranian women that are not cheaters.
I would like to "manage" her carrier, if you catch my drifterino
This, Ukrainian women were made for quick pumping and dumping.
I've done drugs before and it still sounds like shit. Very uninspired, but in a 2015 kind of way.
But do you have connections with good producers? I think she needs one
Noted, but she and her friends were raised very conservatively in nineties immediate post-Soviet Ukraine with church and everything.
She's 30 years old but has a tight dancer's body way finer than most teenage girls, and a diy fashionista who designs & makes fine custom clothing from scratch. Despite working as performers (vocalist in a dinner club house band, after-hours underground club management, non-nude dancer for various legit productions, gymnastic instructor for children, stiltwalking, dancing for music videos, etc), these girls are not wilding out, don't do coke or pills, are unvaccinated and into natural food (although they do enjoy a bit of therapeutic k for their sore bodies and exhausted spirits once in a while, smoke a little bit of weed, occasionally drink a beer or a glass of wine, enjoy coffee).
Yeah, I'm probably being a fool here lol but idgaf.
Please explain: what exactly do you mean by "manage" her career, friendo?
Fuck, I waited to long... unless she really is a conservative long-game kinda girl.
Thanks for zooming in on the era (2015), and you're more or less right about all that, but you should really try a shovel full of kitty before blasting it fr.
Eh, a just-under-major recording studio manager, a bunch of musicians & promoters, a couple of investors, et cetera... enough to get the ball rolling and organically grow the network as it goes.
Thank (You) all very much.
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Yeah, I'm probably being a fool here lol but idgaf.
Yes, you are taking the bait hard. Those 30yo sluts that grew up in post-soviet times are the worst.
if you fuck her record it and post it here
Verka Serduchka wannabe, except an actual troon, rather than just a drag queen.
If she cannot make it in her homeland, what is the point? During the days of the old country, only the most popular singers would try their hand at entering the foreign market... A certain singer with red curly hair tried... and got lukewarm success at best.
I assume, that you yourself are from former USSR, OP. I can explain further, if you want me to, but it just boils down to culture. Little is shared between a man in Moscow, a man in Magadan, a man in Chisinau and a man in Almaty, much less a man in New York, London, Sydney or Cape Town. Certain music connects with certain people, and, as far as I can see it Ukrainian, Russian and Belarusian (as well as Central Asian) music are just too detached from entering the American or British mainstream. That is, unless there is a novelty factor, but even then, these songs do not get radio airtime. Nobody hears Alexander Buinov singing about the VDV in Miami or White Army, Black Baron in Washington D.C, over even Viktor Tsoi in Seattle. It is a niche and usually a niche that remains so for a very good reason (not how 2/3 of the previous examples were propaganda songs). Ukraine is even less likely... Zemfira came to New York as part of her final tour, mostly attended by Russian expats and Verka Serduchka came to the U.S (nearly nobody went, from what I have heard, seeing a Ukrainian drag queen sounds more like a parody of the state of affairs in those times, rather than reality).
I am sorry if my English is not the best, but I hope you can get my point.
Is this b8?
Probably, but I made the mistake of falling in love with her far more sane friend, and, besides, they're really pleasant to hang out with, no bullshit, and neither of these girls is nearly as bad as most of the girls one encounters in any American city.
I can't promise anything, and would probably be too in the moment enjoying the experience to bother filming it for (You).
Kek she was born with a real natural vagina, she just has strong features good to produce strong offspring, so you might wanna check your test levels, however your English is more than adequate, but thanks for the surprising amount of information you just shared, along with that perspective on the apparent disconnect between slavic musicians and the western/global zeitgeist, because that resonates. Who was this curly redhead you speak of?
No; believe me: this is 100% real, and (You) could easily be in my shoes if you just hung out in certain circles.
falling for hohol pussy
Checked & redpilled.
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Grim.
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Aллa Пyгчёвa one of the biggest Soviet musicians in the 1970s and 1980s.
Not even ABBA's backing vocalists could life her to popularity outside of the USSR and Finland for one of her Russian language albums...
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Her most popular song in Russian, solidified by a popular cartoon.
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Checked & contractnegotionpilled.
but anyway
Look, this is the Anon Babblesic board, right? There are folks in the Anon Babblesic industry here, right? There are folks familiar with managing talent here, right? Look, just as a joke, or an experiment, help me actually get this girl to the next level, gigiddy, so that she can feel good about her music being enjoyed by millions of normies clubbing, and so that I can profit from & dab on them, just cuz we all need to eat.
What is it about her music that was so insanely popular for people under the jackboot of communism, but not for anyone in the free world?
Huh, these sound reminiscent of a seventies anime closing credits theme; no wonder there's just this hard disconnect between music east & west of the Urals.
Simple, the state sponsors musicians, those are the musicians that are officially popular. Pop, "big beat" (rock, but rock was a dirty word in the USSR) and chanson (which was one of the first genres to officially talk about stuff like prison).
There was an underground rock scene that had existed since the 1960s, but only started to rival state sponsored music in the 1980s, this took over the "big beat" music during Gorby's rule.
In the West, there is no real state sponsorship and the Soviet Union was seen as a taboo nation. Russian music did not get some traction in the West until the 2000s... (ГлюкьoЗa, MaкCим, T.a.T.u [the fake lesbians] and Aлeкcaндp Бyйнoв), even then, they were all one offs and there were not really any notable hits in the 2010s, though I have heard some stuff in this decade, unfortunately from a singer I hate and is literally 12.
If you want, I will share those popular songs, as they are usually referred to by different names in English.
Interesting, please continue, as I would like for you to share those popular songs.
state sponsored
Of course! Funnily enough Alla is on the outs with Russia due to her arguably pro-Ukraine & anti-war stance.
in the west there is no real state sponsorship of music
...really? What about pic related and everything that revealed? (The author died quite suddenly.) Look at music now, how everyone from Eminem to Billy Eilish is, well, a compromised mouthpiece for someone's propaganda.
This is getting to be a good thread.
make content and make music. figure out how to reach your audience. have music ready for release. continue to do so. also, connect with other people. remember she might leave you when you bring in someone with more juice, so try to have some contract involved for your security of finding her
Good, succinct advice, pretty much what I've been thinking & telling her, she really needs to get an entire dozen songs together for an entire album before we get serious, so I'm trying to get her into the recording studio as much as possible.
The industry likes youth; does it matter that she's over thirty?
2000s popular in America/Western Europe:
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T.a.T.u in general, you should know some of their stuff, but choose one of their songs from circa 2008.
2010s (Original video went viral with a lot of English comments, but is unavailable on YouTube now, it probably is on VK and Zen, but I am not going to bother searching for it on there):
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2020s:
Not even going to post it... It is too cringe-inducing... Look up Бeтcи, click the YouTube channel, I have heard Zoom-zooms in the shopping center listening to this and I shudder, I only learned later that it was Russian.
I see the similarities, but the music does not sound good as the Soviet/Russian stuff did. It was a sound mean to unite, not divide... Look at the first one for 2000s and 2010s.
Eh, Zemfira is still popular despite over a decade of pro-Ukraine rhetoric (since the operation in Crimea/Tavria or whatever the we call it) and exile from Russia. I still hear Zemfira on Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg and Nizhny Novgorod stations I get over the internet. Alla will last forever.
This is fair, concerning picrel and what it claims. The hippie movement was something of a government operation. Would you have wanted Vietnam protesters to be guerillas or flower children? I believe that was the goal, controlling counterculture such that it was relatively harmless to the government.
Very helpful, thanks! I remember T.a.T.u., those little cockteases, and their notable but brief popularity here in America; in retrospect, they seem like a soft anti-Russian-gov't psyop courtesy of CIA & [REDACTED]. Yeah, she should cover T.a.T.u. (possibly with a friend).
zoomers <3 puccian muzak?
Huh. There's gotta be a way to leverage another populist slavic music flash here in the west with this. We should've moved sooner to leverage the popularity of the Ukrainian war before that started waning recently. :/
Please provide a no-holds-barred review of this song, so that I can help her *improve* her music.
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The vocals are good, the backing music is mediocre in terms of choice. As quite a number of anons have said, it is generic.
Personally, I think you need to assess her vocal range, the greater the range, the more variety you can do. She is more suited to cover a MaкCим song, but it would need to be translated into English first.
Pull inspiration from Russia and Ukraine, but not too much... This was a major hit in Russia, but it is a bit too Russian for American tastes: youtube.com
Use the tempos and the scales, not the instruments unless you manage to work them in well enough. The garmoshka had its chance in the 1970s/1980s, as The The proved with the related Accordion.
With covers, you can embrace full Slav, but only if it captures the audience... An example of this: youtube.com
Focus on perhaps using a choir element in the songs too The Gazmanov track uses this. A female choir suits a female singer, so choose well.
Those are just some ideas, one song is not enough to truly judge, but at the end of the day, you must be unique.
Also excuse the "Reddit spacing", it was a failed attempt at bulleting. I needed to have used the green text instead.
the dreamy part at 2:42 - 2:45 could go viral
over beautiful landscapes, slow-mo big city night scenes (Tokyo, Singapore, Dubai, Beijing, Shanghai, etc), pastoral scenes on IG and TikTok
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I have another idea, which is to collaborate with an exiled Russian singer or rapper. You will need to go through all of them to find what works, but if you keep it fairly high profile, it could work, so long as they can sing/rap in English.
Oxxxymiron would be the most popular choice, simply because he is the Eminem of Russia, but trying to incorporate his style into a song could be tough. One of his parents is British andhe speaks English fairly well, but this would be fairly high profile and probably quite expensive and if it flops, it could taint her name. I am doubtful it will flop, though.
Just another idea. Rap is not my thing, but enough people probably know the name, that it could help boost her popularity.
I will not be able to answer questions after this. I will be asleep. If this thread is still standing tomorrow, I will read any response you may have, OP.
Take care.
if you're trying to get into "the industry" then yes, age matters. they can fudge numbers but they like 'em young and impressionable. easy for brainwashing, easy to rob.
you COULD look at getting internet popular, and the big stars have lots of streaming numbers, do shows, and make a living selling to the loyal fans they cultivated. that comes from content. content, content. patreon. community building activities. short documentary videos. viral music. music videos is LAST. believe it or not, the biggest artists on streaming or bandcamp dont need official music videos. you need content FIRST. figure out your audience, what works, and push your music at the same time your artist content is trending or gaining new fans.
oh, collaborate is another big one. the more fans who hear you the better. dont be picky but dont be shitty and do crappy songs. find artists who want to collaborate and have some numbers you dont have. if you can turn out some good music its good for the singer, its good for the collaborator, and it will actually be beneficial to both of you. try to reach out to others, make friends, try to get on shows, cut your teeth doing shows and getting people to come. get some gimmicks, something that will get the audience talking about you.
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finally, if you can stomach it, learn to twitter or instagram. maybe collaborate with each other there as you dont want to say something that gets you cancelled by your crowd. become a "personality" who says provocative things and gets a following with how they speak. any great cult leader knows how to attract a flock and get people following you feeling like they have to buy your stuff. its all in the story.
to clarify about the music video thing, you DO need music videos. the teaser, the lyric video/visualizer and then finally a video if it's really performing. get the most out of the song and use the opportunity to push it however you can. maybe some viral image/dance thing to get people involved. the acoustic version, the remix challenge, what you can think of. the days of having a cool music video and it propelling you is gone. you get the audience first, push out music, THEN hit them with the killer video. or just continue to push content and remember to sell them the music with a story. dont waste time on clever, expensive videos that people wont watch or will forget about. write a catalog, learn how to push it, then do the video. in fact shoot alternate videos if it worked. but dont focus on that, the prime thing is connecting to the fans first.