What made 90s music so much darker and edgier than the 80s or 2000s...

What made 90s music so much darker and edgier than the 80s or 2000s? I know the 80s and 2000s had edgier bands too (Slayer, Linkin Park) but they weren't the face of the era in the same way Nirvana and Alice in chains and even NIN were for the 90s. The girly electropop and boy bands/justin beiber shit of the 2000s/2010s has more in common with the glam of the 80s than the grunge of the 90s.

i dunno, it was weird that rock was so down tempo, espically after america had just won the cold war. but i guess grunge was more of a reaction to the 80s and hair metal.

Like the 90s were basically "lets do the opposite of everything the 80s did"

it was made by gen x who were neglected by their boomer parents

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It was a relatively happy time in american history too, between the end of the cold war and 9/11. What was there to be moody about?

Besides grunge what even was popular in the 90s?

trip hop, gangsta rap, happy hardcore, britpop, shoegaze, the list goes on!

boybands and ska punk

also pop and pop rock

thats too generic sounding, just say boy bands and shit like boys 2 men

Green Day

the 90s were basically "lets do the opposite of everything the 80s did"

Reading this made me realize how slow music culture has been lately. Nearly 3 decades into the 2000's and it has been the same shit every single year.

I think ever since monoculture died, it's been much harder to really create a big movement in music. When MTV was around, everyone and their grandma knew what was popular and who were getting big. Suddenly iTunes and Spotify came around, MTV died, and everyone got into their little bubble of music, new and old.

Now it's much harder to start anything because not everyone will be on the same page.

Internet destroyed subcultures

Internet destroyed everything, including privacy.

it wasn't "the internet"
it was social media not focused on communities (facebook/twitter/instagram)

who's the tranny on the left?

true

contemporary r&b, rap, the poppier strains of european EDM, alternative rock, power pop and pop rock, "nu metal"/hard alternative towards the end of the decade. lots of stuff, really. madonna had a downtempo hit with "frozen". metallica had a platinum album. grunge was just one fad among many.

oh yeah and boy bands. nsync, backstreet boys, et all in the states and take that etc in bongistan

most successful acts by decade:

70s
Pink Floyd
Eagles
Led Zeppelin

80s
Michael Jackson
Madonna
Phil Collins

90s
Celine Dion
Mariah Carey
Garth Brooks

00s
Eminem
Linkin Park
Coldplay

I'd say the "edgiest" decade would be either the 70s or 00s, also don't forget the boy band craze of the late 90s

holy shit the 70s were kino. you forgot to mention the rolling stones btw.

thanks Anon Babblemusic

Ywnbaw freak

70s

It was a once in the life of a culture miracle. Rock captured the zeitgeist in the 60's and became more serious and artsy culminating in prog, and the major labels were all in on it because they knew how to make it work business-wise at the time. Looking at the music landscape now it's unthinkable that something like Close to the Edge was major label popular music.

Gen Xers who were kids in the late 60s and 70s, and teens in the 80s. They were growing up with women's lib, televangelism, Reagan and Thatcher, hippies becoming Wall Street types, fratty hair metal, the rise of punk, a popular dilution of punk into New Wave, etc. You can consider any other social trends relevant: divorce rates and single parent households, increasing use of heroin and coke, the plethora of serial killers, satanic panic, etc.

Every generation has their equivalents, but figure that generation started off with Scooby Doo and Charlie & the Chocolate Factory and ended up coming up with terms like McJob and developing Beavis & Butthead. Lots of envelopes being pushed fast and hard while wondering if their boomer parents' way of life was even viable for them, let alone desireable with everyone just getting divorced anyway.

80s Pixies, Replacements, and REM shit all over Nirvana. 80s was when college rock peaked. 90s was when it went mainstream and died.

Cool, this thread is still up after the vacation

Linkin Park

edgy

70s and 80s not as edgy as 90s

Throbbing Gristle

Whitehouse

Swans

Swans are 90s and 2010s

Introverted shit took over. That was most bubbling in the underground with punks and alt guys going on about their feelings. 80s mainstream rock enjoyed life and just wanted to party.
It was cool for awhile when Kurt, but got old when every nu-metal was also whining about shit.

Those were not mainstream groups.

Nirvana is so underrated. So emotional and it rocks!

loaded question. your premise is horseshit. zoomer sperg detected

I can't accept the excuse that it's the internet's fault cause corporations have shown they've invested billions researching how to manipulate people through it. If they wanted to artificially create a new scene the same way they paid radio stations and MTV to play their shit they could very easily do it.
There's got to be another reason we've been in a cultural limbo for all this time. It's not just music. It's fashion, it's celebrities. Everything's stuck. We're still talking about Taylor swift and kanye like it's 2007.
It's not the neverending 2008 crisis, either, since economic downturns still caused new music to emerge like the 70's.
It's weird.

2000s

not the edgiest decade by far

What fucking alternate universe do you live in? The entire 1998-2006 period of pop rock was dominated by post-grunge, nu-metal, butt-rock, pop punk, post-hardcore, metalcore, alternative metal, industrial rock. And on the fringes of what was considered mainstream and underground, more accessible strains of melodeath metal and power metal aired on radio stations in some countries.

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2000s edge was something else

this was the biggest, most mainstream rock band in japan in the early-mid 2000s

release a music video with graphic gore, rape, snuff, dismemberment, uncensored nudity and creepy realistic depictions of babies having their eyes gouged out with fingers

youtube.com/watch?v=knTCepRTS7E

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wisdom

I mean, Nirvana themselves might not disagree. they were swimming in the wake of that stuff, admittedly. they were just trying to exist in that framework, but hair metal happened to stagnate around then, Jane's Addiction had proved that an alternative sound could be profitable, and Kurt was a hell of a lot cuter than Stipe and Black Francis, so the big money label DGC invested in Nevermind and they were able to make it pay off in spades . it was just time for that sound.

The whole slacker thing of the 90s is too unrelatable and unlikable now, mopey cunts didn't know how good they had it

america had just won the cold war

lolwut?

80s Pixies, Replacements, and REM shit all over Nirvana

i don't even like nirvana but no they didn't
surprised you didn't include Pavement too, lol

1970's were peak music and t isn't even close ---- and i don't just mean this particular list