/classical/

Piano quintet edition
youtu.be/d3O5nvqi12M?list=PLdFkry8F0U41Wrm6d273EFKT-PsYdXlSy

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

How do I get into classical?

This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh

thanks tranime sister

'HIP' means Historically Informed Performance. Basically a trend in classical music performance which blossomed in the later 20th century till now where there is an emphasis on trying to recreate how the music would have sounded when it was originally written/performed, including the use of period instruments, smaller choirs, one voice per part, that kind of thing, as opposed to the traditional lineage which performed music with modern sensibilities, simply put. 'HIPster' refers to proponents of that approach. That anon likes to reply with it to recordings of that nature because they, and many others here, are not fans of it, believing it to make the music sound worse, and not even really being accurate in the first place.

all bruckner is too slow, anyways.

Well, hurry up on becoming a professional conductor so you can start releasing your own performances under your preferred interpretations. I'll probably find your Bruckner too fast, wiry, dry, and nervous, but you never know!

speaking of Chopin and his concertos, favorite/best recordings of his two piano concertos?

any Sinopoli recordings you do like? or do you think he was an outright poor conductor?
youtube.com/watch?v=QVWKMGxwH44&list=OLAK5uy_mvlduGGorzUCmKqVlC6nx4uvIjPM9XCLM&index=41

Zimerman with Polish festival orchestra:
youtube.com/watch?v=5BLU-CaKIt8&list=OLAK5uy_nRbqBvfyGl-YiyhBO7SCkpcGcV3YJd2M4&index=2

Also, if you're this , did you listen to any other concerto yet?

his second viennese school recordings are okay. acceptable if only out of lack of the real thing.

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This one?

Didnt listen to it but its probably good because sister doesnt like it too much

You have to remember how big of a flop his Sisterfugue op. posthumous was. Insomniac literally has no soul and failed miserably at writing a good melody. Hell, I could come up with a better melody in a minute.

thanks schizo sister
thanks indian child

Wagner.

thank you wagnersister

Bach

youtube.com/watch?v=v-zIJzkJoM0

op. posthumous? lol

Enjoyable!

Most of Liszt's tone poems are actually quite lackluster. Now, if you wanna praise the Faust Symphony or the orchestrated Hungarian Rhapsodies I'll give you some leeway but that piece better than Brahms? Get real.

now playing

Strauss: Don Juan, Op. 20, TrV 156
youtube.com/watch?v=UKnZfZiVPgE&list=OLAK5uy_new8-_TM6nJCVOMgSs5k-HOsqvWps7WYg&index=2

Strauss: Tod und Verklärung, Op. 24, TrV 158 (Death and Transfiguration)
youtube.com/watch?v=Q7XGFbeiBe4&list=OLAK5uy_new8-_TM6nJCVOMgSs5k-HOsqvWps7WYg&index=3

Strauss: Till Eulenspiegels lustige Streiche, Op. 28, TrV 171 (Till Eulenspiegel's Merry Pranks)
youtube.com/watch?v=n_vSqdZpW6U&list=OLAK5uy_new8-_TM6nJCVOMgSs5k-HOsqvWps7WYg&index=3

Impossible to not enjoy these pieces.

step-aside Richter, there is a new Queen of Schubert's D.960
youtube.com/watch?v=Q0BNs0Tgljo&list=OLAK5uy_lQCJHg6aWKCUCou9lfQ-xI2GdCB7h1aiw&index=1

such a ridiculous blurb on the Amazon page though:

As Pablo Casals once did before, Khatia Buniatishvili places the human being at the centre of her art. The fundamental values handed down from the Enlightenment are not up for discussion. Were there a fire and a choice to be made between child and painting, she would not hesitate for a second. Yet, once she had pulled the child from the blaze, she would take it to the Museum of Fine Arts so that it might become a painter. No need to save "the fire" (as Cocteau replied) because it already burns her eyes, rages in her fingers and warms her heart. On the present release, she presents her first Schubert recording, which includes Schubert's great last Piano Sonata, the four popular Impromptus, and the short piece Standchen, arranged by Franz Liszt.

lolwhat, the absurdity has got to be intentional

I've finally created a pastebin for Ferdinand Ries, the greatest student of Beethoven. He was basically memory-holed by kikes because he tried to protect Beethoven's legacy from being exploited by kike publishers. He's not as good at orchestration as Beethoven, but the quality and consistency of his chamber music exceeds that of Beethoven in many cases, Ries is probably the greatest musical find from the Aryan Art archiving project.

pastebin.com/VP6vwpaB

Also, reminder to check out our weekly Aryan Art Threads:

A good place to start is this piano sonata, there still aren't a lot of good Ries recordings out there but they are starting to slowly trickle out from small European publishers.

Ferdinand Ries (Bonn, Electorate of Cologne, Holy Roman Empire 1784-1838 Free City of Frankfurt, German Confederation)
(Alexandra Oehler)
Piano Sonata in F sharp minor, Op. 26 - 1808, 1st Movement (Adagio con espressione - Allegro molto agitato)
youtube.com/watch?v=DVFQCnE77vo
Piano Sonata in F sharp minor, Op. 26 - 1808, 2nd Movement (Andante)
youtube.com/watch?v=ui5V2dZhQmE
Piano Sonata in F sharp minor, Op. 26 - 1808, 3rd Movement (Finale, Presto)
youtube.com/watch?v=aYj-1ztsHZw

thanks wignat sister

Ashkenazy!

youtube.com/watch?v=1uIVOmzE3wA&list=OLAK5uy_liyKWOO1XFTysg1k39GiHUTinl4A0GE4I&index=1

why would you trust a guy who can barely even play the piano despite it being his main instrument to conduct?

Discovering Ries is like finding out that there are 150 lost Opus numbers from Beethoven's heroic period.

Ferdinand Ries (Bonn, Electorate of Cologne, Holy Roman Empire 1784-1838 Free City of Frankfurt, German Confederation)
(Schuppanzigh-Quartett, Raquel Massades)
String Quintet in D Minor, Op. 68 - c.1811, 1st Movement (Andante - Allegro agitato)
youtube.com/watch?v=7H7pvUIVcvc
String Quintet in D Minor, Op. 68 - c.1811, 2nd Movement (Andante)
youtube.com/watch?v=7ywAKmLotc0
String Quintet in D Minor, Op. 68 - c.1811, 3rd Movement (Menuetto. Moderato)
youtube.com/watch?v=RoigT5VL8EA
String Quintet in D Minor, Op. 68 - c.1811, 4th Movement (Finale. Allegro)
youtube.com/watch?v=rkho_boRDnI

thanks wignat sister

Beethoven

youtube.com/watch?v=WliKZGQCENQ

Ashkenazy's style seems like it'd work well with the 6th. I wouldn't listen to his recording of any other Beethoven symphony.

ah yes, the famous ashkenazy style of putting his listeners to sleep. perfect for the pastorale.

And do you actually think he's a poor pianist or is it because his specialty is repertoire outside of your usual preferences? The Haitink/Ashkenazy Brahms piano concerto recordings I posted the other month were very good.
youtube.com/watch?v=Z10voQrljY8

And that's without getting into all of his very good chamber music recordings, eg cello sonatas and piano trios of Brahms and Beethoven.

the rizzler…

:p

I missed ya. Hope you had a nice spring break.

My 12 year-old cousin came over the other week and she used that word a handful of times, and when I went "what?" the first time, she goes, "Oh my god, you're so old." Rude...

are you kidding? ashkenazy does tons of rep that’s in my wheelhouse. he has a full beethoven sonata cycle ffs. that doesn’t make his playing any less shitty though.
and no, his brahms horn trio/franck violin sonata with perlman fucking sucks. he’s an awful chamber musician.

That's why I said specialty! He's known for his Chopin and Rachmaninoff and the like. I haven't even heard his Beethoven piano sonata cycle.

And of course you cherrypick one poor example. What about pic? The Brahms Violin Sonatas also with Perlman? And his cello sonatas with Harrell? And piano trios with both? C'mon, son!

and rubinstein is known for his chopin sonatas, but that doesn’t stop him from having marvelous recordings of franck, schubert, brahms, etc etc. it’s literally not an excuse.
considering that ashkenazy perlman horn trio/violin sonata is one of his single most famous chamber music recordings, i hardly see how it’s cherrypicking a “poor example”. it’s literally one of the most lauded. you’re such a fucking bootlicker for anyone with any modicum of celebrity status.

*chopin nocturnes, not sonatas

Why would you want to listen to Aryan music played by some sleazy middle eastern parasites? Maybe you should explore performers outside of a small circle of talentless Jewish grifters promoted by an insanely nepotistic Jewish publishing industry.

thanks wignat sister

I have no reply, so I'm just gonna lay down and focus on listening to this 6th.

I've listened to just about every cycle in pic, and more. I didn't start and end with Ashkenazy/Perlman.

Boccherini

youtube.com/watch?v=4UC89EeO5Jw

The Capucon recordings were alright, the rest is just kike spam. You shouldn't rely so much on recommendation algorithms from Jews, there are thousands of great Aryan recordings out there but you actually have to go out of your way and specifically search them out.

Instead of listening to the same Beethoven sonatas a million times, try this forgotten piece from Beethoven's memory-holed antisemitic student that is actually better than most of Beethoven's own violin sonatas. We are living deep in a dark age, where our whole culture is controlled by some of the most culturally retrograde and repressive people that have ever existed, it is our duty to perform some cultural archeology and preserve as much as we can, rather than just consume the slop that is fed to us by the enemy.

Ferdinand Ries (Bonn, Electorate of Cologne, Holy Roman Empire 1784-1838 Free City of Frankfurt, German Confederation)
(Ariadne Daskalakis, Wolfgang Brunner)
Violin Sonata in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 71 - 1812, 1st Movement (Allegro con brio)
youtube.com/watch?v=OOhVHDbSQOE
Violin Sonata in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 71 - 1812, 2nd Movement (Adagio)
youtube.com/watch?v=Q3RxMnjtfYE
Violin Sonata in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 71 - 1812, 3rd Movement (Allegro agitato)
youtube.com/watch?v=4NFyJYB_NJ8

thanks wignat sister

Ries has La Capricciosa and that's it
youtube.com/watch?v=24A5rp4N99Q

how do I git gud at piano?

inb4 just practice everyday bro

I am but I'm not improving as much as I'd like

Menuhin

Another no talent kike linked to the mass rape of gentile children

the greatest student of Beethoven

That would be Czerny

get a teacher, idiot

Damn, I should have become a music teacher.

thanks wignat sister

Czerny isn't even in the same ballpark as Ries. Ries even surpasses Beethoven in several categories of chamber music.

Ferdinand Ries (Bonn, Electorate of Cologne, Holy Roman Empire 1784-1838 Free City of Frankfurt, German Confederation)
(Ensemble Concertant Frankfurt)
Sextet in G minor for Harp, Piano, Clarinet, Bassoon, Horn and Double Bass, Op. 142 - 1814, 1st Movement (Allegro non troppo)
youtube.com/watch?v=CdCHs4gVFO0
Sextet in G minor for Harp, Piano, Clarinet, Bassoon, Horn and Double Bass, Op. 142 - 1814, 2nd Movement (Adagio con moto)
youtube.com/watch?v=VLCLcN_SgiM
Sextet in G minor for Harp, Piano, Clarinet, Bassoon, Horn and Double Bass, Op. 142 - 1814, 3rd Movement (Rondo - Allegretto)
youtube.com/watch?v=dlg38GNWe9I

I've come across Ries before but I don't really care for that era much outside of the biggest names. Maybe someday I'll check him out but it's not really for me.

Favorite performance of Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 26, 'Les Adieux'? I'm a big fan of it!

Redpill me on Bertini's Mahler cycle

Solid 'by-the-book' performances. If someone bought it, I'd say "fine choice." If someone put it on while we were hanging out, I'd gladly listen to it all of the way through. But, aside from the 8th, I haven't listened to any of it since the first and only time I went through it. Lastly, some posters here, in addition to Hurwitz, think he has the best 8th. It's quite good and certainly a respectable choice but not my personal favorite. I think that about covers it.

I don't care for the objective peak period of heroic Aryan classical music

If you've gone through all of Beethoven a million times then you owe it to yourself to become an expert on Ries. As Beethoven's student he starts off at almost the same level as Beethoven and doesn't have a long maturation period, and Ries also doesn't have a long period of being deaf, so he maintains an output of near-peak Beethoven-style heroic-period work well into the 1830's. I'm starting to believe that Ries is actually a more significant composer than Schubert. I often get the impression that Ries composed many pieces just to get plaudits from Beethoven himself rather than compose for a general audience, as a large percentage of Ries' compositions are sophisticated chamber music which just doesn't have a lot of appeal to normies that love loud bombastic orchestra music.

Ferdinand Ries (Bonn, Electorate of Cologne, Holy Roman Empire 1784-1838 Free City of Frankfurt, German Confederation)
(Schuppanzigh-Quartett)
String Quartet in A Minor, Op. 150, No. 1 - c.1826, 1st Movement (Allegro con spirito- Andantino)
youtube.com/watch?v=Z-mV1CgVv18
String Quartet in A Minor, Op. 150, No. 1 - c.1826, 2nd Movement (Adagio con moto)
youtube.com/watch?v=CkiRSsNKBoA
String Quartet in A Minor, Op. 150, No. 1 - c.1826, 3rd Movement (Scherzo. Allegro non troppo)
youtube.com/watch?v=LwVvmzfpGgA
String Quartet in A Minor, Op. 150, No. 1 - c.1826, 4th Movement (Finale. Allegro)
youtube.com/watch?v=I0fcYcqp0mc

If you've gone through all of Beethoven a million times then you owe it to yourself to become an expert on Ries

I'm actually not *that* big of a Beethoven lover either at the moment. You got any recommendations of lesser known composers from the late romantic era to early 20th century, I'll gladly check them out, that's more my jam. But since you've gone through all of this work, fine, I'll give a listen to one of Ries' string quartets.

thanks wignat sister

really really good 8th for some reason. everything else is merely acceptable, but that’s already better than most conductors can manage for full cycles.

I don't care if this makes me a pleb, but I just can't imagine attending a concert and the ensemble begins performing something like, I don't know, Carter's String Quartet no. 2, and being able to keep a straight face.

Recordings of 20th Century composers are fairly spotty, most of them were affiliated with the nazis and were thus memory-holed by Jews, the only well-known 20th Century composer is Rachmaninoff because he come to America and signed off his catalog to Jews. Is there a particular composer or style that you like?

I'm currently on the search for the greatest 20th Century piano sonata that has been recorded so far. I'm currently split between Bortkiewicz's 2nd sonata which premiered in Third Reich Vienna and was memory-holed after the war, and Sinding's 1909 sonata, a Norwegian successor to Grieg that was also memory-holed for supporting the Third Reich.

Christian August Sinding (Kongsberg, Buskeruds amt, Norway, U.K. of Sweden-Norway 1856-1941 Oslo, Reichskommissariat Norwegen, German Reich)
(Mark Ehrenfried)
Sonata for Piano in B Minor, Op. 91 - 1909, 1st Movement (Allegro Non Troppo)
youtube.com/watch?v=ayNPSnPiyiI
Sonata for Piano in B Minor, Op. 91 - 1909, 2nd Movement (Andante)
youtube.com/watch?v=1FbHDHuSlQo
Sonata for Piano in B Minor, Op. 91 - 1909, 3rd Movement (Vivace)
youtube.com/watch?v=p-H77ee8v7k

Sergei Eduardovich Bortkiewicz (Kharkov, Kharkov Governorate, Russian Empire 1877-1952 Vienna, Republic of Austria)
(Nadejda Vlaeva)
Piano Sonata No. 2 in C-sharp minor, Op. 60 - 1942, 1st Movement (Allegro ma non troppo)
youtube.com/watch?v=ORTWCrv-vR4
Piano Sonata No. 2 in C-sharp minor, Op. 60 - 1942, 2nd Movement (Allegretto)
youtube.com/watch?v=na7-9itB1AQ
Piano Sonata No. 2 in C-sharp minor, Op. 60 - 1942, 3rd Movement (Andante misericordioso)
youtube.com/watch?v=Eod6KuHn3AU
Piano Sonata No. 2 in C-sharp minor, Op. 60 - 1942, 4th Movement (Agitato, ma poco a poco animando)
youtube.com/watch?v=8oERBNG4xJ0

it makes you not an RYMsister
thanks wignat sister

Are those types of concerts primarily made up of fellow musicians, academics, and students? I can't picture old-money types sitting there and listening to that stuff.

it’s all academia. no one likes new music other than fellow academics and RYMsisters.

Sinding is great, didn't know he had a piano sonata, thanks.

I'm currently on the search for the greatest 20th Century piano sonata that has been recorded so far.

youtube.com/watch?v=ShEPSqrfVrw
duh

thanks scriabincel

ywn be fourteen again listening to Scriabin for the first time, feeling like you've just discovered the secrets of the universe and achieved mystical transcendence

tfw

youtube.com/watch?v=Unfj3E8LjrM&list=OLAK5uy_kn9ObtpxjTDkGA0wD4gQuO0IPWZ1Piy-c&index=9

thanks scriabincel