Is there ANY argument to be made against rap and hip hop as a genre?

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Is there ANY argument to be made against rap and hip hop as a genre?

The only "legit" arguments I've seen are that 1. nearly all commercial rap is owned and controlled by big corporate bosses, so any "subversive" elements it has are null and void, and 2. most rap is about mindless things like sex, drugs, gangbanging, flexing material objects, and whatnot. Personally, I don't find either of these arguments particularly convincing. We've seen dozens of rappers and R&B singers come out against the Gaza genocide. Many rappers incorporate Marxist or socialist themes in their music, highlighting the plight of Black America. Plenty of rap is poetry and sampling is a genius art form.

youtube.com/watch?v=ss1UsQ0jWt0

We've seen dozens of rappers and R&B singers come out against the Gaza genocide. Many rappers incorporate Marxist or socialist themes in their music, highlighting the plight of Black America

i havent seen this.

It's not racist at all to think rap is stupid as shit. Theres plenty of other black music that is highly intelligent and inspiring. Just not most rap. The issue is these types ONLY listen to rap. The people who only listen to rap are some of the most ill informed critics on earth. It's like when Beyonce made that country album, all you seen is people saying "we're taking country back!" and stuff like that. Well you see how long that lasted. None of them gave a shit about country, they just care about trying to one-up other people. Pretty much everyone I see online saying such things are rap only listeners.

Niggas need to listen to some jazz, funk or blues sometime other than cookouts with their grandparents.

There's more honesty in singing about asses and money than posturing as an intellectual and advocating for social causes while being signed to UMG, Sony or any other major label.

(mainstream) rap is not by any means intellectual.

3. The music is boring, repetitive, and childish. There are less than 10 hip hop artists in history worth listening to or remembering and even they pale in comparison to the top 20 of any other genre. Rap is good for pumping yourself up for some big sports game in middle school or for a nice laugh or 2, nothing more.
Exceptions are the rappers that have sick flow/lyrics like the wutang boys, weezy, biggie and eminem. But even they are junk when compared to say Led Zeppelin or NIN or even modest mouse

Yesterday there was a thread on here exposing most rap as a money laundering scheme. A lot of rappers and their managers have gang ties and use rap careers as fronts for the gang.

Anxiety invalidates her other art

It's just that the main topics are really retarded with little subtleness to it however that has been the direction popular music has been on for decades however some rap can be very smart shit check out billy woods that man is like a genius

Rap is the cheapest and laziest genre for record labels.

one solo artist instead of an entire band/group

sampling means no need to compose music from scratch, much easier for producers

lyrics can be the dumbest, laziest shit and the song will still fly if the beat is good

huge profit margin for the label

who gives a fuck about gaza god wills those palestinians death

But even they are junk when compared to say Led Zeppelin or NIN or even modest mouse

How so?

Is there ANY argument to be made against rap

Just one really

She performed at the Grammys in her bra and panties. Definitely an intellectual

That's just a weird blanket statement from a one-hit wonder. She knows she's going to get people's attention, she's had her 15 minutes. About hip hop ? It's making music, definitely an intellectual activity. And there's a lot of complexity for people who like music just because of how much theory they want to show off

Rappers today are what pop stars were in the early 2000s.

Word on the street is, she's going to make a collab with The Alchemist very soon.

takes someone else's song

not a sample, the WHOLE song

changes the lyrics

"um I'm an intellectual actually"

Fuck off.

not music

The original Gotye song also contains a sample.

whosampled.com/sample/105665/Gotye-Kimbra-Somebody-That-I-Used-to-Know-Luiz-Bonfá-Seville/

Hip hop and rap are garbage and it has nothing to do with racism

I don't think any genre of music is "intellectual".

Not even prog rock?

Not even prog rock.

It's bad. That's it.

Sampling is the worst thing to ever happen to popular music.

Not only does it make music more generic but it also destroys the communal nature of music. Classical music takes an entire orchestra to perform. Folk music was meant to be played live with audience participation. Music stealing AKA "sampling" makes the producer an absolute oligarch which is furthers the alienation of the working-class from music.

So why is sampling so celebrated by academic elites?

In the 1940s the CIA launched the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a think-tank designed to channel funds into the anti-Soviet left. They funded artists who appeared "leftist" but were actually anti-Marxist and anti-proletarian. This included propping up hideous and meaningless modern "art" as a means of alienating the working-class from the arts and ensuring art could only be appreciated by pompous cultured elites.

youtube.com/watch?v=tD49vdreggw

The CIA and the academic elites whom it funds have been behind the rise of sample-based music such as hip hop for this exact same reason. This “music” is disoriented, disorganized, and ugly and creates a sense of resentment and nihilism in its listeners. The same people who think J Dilla pushing buttons on a sampler was “innovative” are the same people who think Jackson Pollock splattering paint on a canvas was “innovative.” And this is precisely why cultured elites promote rap and sample-based "music": they want to demoralize you and alienate you so you see the world as nothing but ugliness and lose all faith in your fellow man.

Art under real socialism is about celebrating the beauty of everyday working people and festering a sense of solidarity and brotherhood. China bans rap and gets its school children learning real music, namely classical. They don’t give kids MPCs to learn how to “sample” but give them actual instruments. That’s because real socialism isn’t about romanticizing the gutter but about advancing humanity.

null and void

That's not how you use that phrase, kiddo.
Rap can't be hummed. It doesn't really have melody and, as such, it's not true music but just a part of it. Even it's own name acknowledges this: Rhythmic African Poetry. Not Rhythmic African Music.

Correct. It's also demoralizing and inherently antisocial, which is one major reason why the elites push it so hard.

the CIA is funding lo-fi packback rap

Please.

Plenty of rap is poetry

You retards literally don’t even know what poetry is.

I've reached a point where i would rather listen to retards being retarded instead of retards pretending they're "intellectual". Musicians in general aren't intellectual, much less rappers.

True but I like music. As pointed out itt, without a melody, you can't have music. Rap is not music.
Also, I didn't think I've ever liked any supposedly intellectual band or musician. Or, if they are considered such, I wouldn't have any idea because I don't generally bother learning anything about the musicians' lives. You could tell me that George Harrison was actually three miniature schnauzers in a human suit and I wouldn't know enough to refute you.

nearly all commercial rap is owned and controlled by big corporate bosses

You can just say jews

A lot of rappers and their managers have gang ties and use rap careers as fronts for the gang.

Most rappers are "studio gangsters". The amount of successful rappers that were hardcore criminals is less than rappers that were in some Zesty shit like ballet.

Since 1972, rap music has increasingly been co-opted as a psychological operation to suppress Black culture and stifle the potential for Marxist revolution or collective unity reminiscent of the Black Panthers. The establishment recognized that a unified Black population—which actually outnumbers the white population in many urban centers—could pose a serious threat to the status quo. Figures like Jimi Hendrix, Martin Luther King Jr., George Jackson, and even Kanye West represent different moments where art, politics, and resistance collided—and were ultimately neutralized, redirected, or commodified

Making sure there will never be, One nation under a groove, getting down just for the funk of it.

There once was a poster from Anon Babble,
A dweeb and a rap-loving jew.
"Rap's music!" he'd plead,
But his taste, none would heed,
For his posts were a cringeworthy spew.

Thats all modern music.

Ridiculous.

You could easily make the same argument against ALL electronic music.

Hell, you could even argue recorded music is what "killed" music given that it turned music from a communal artform played live with a collective band to an individualist consumer hobby.

Hey ya is better than any of the shit you retards have ever posted including that pretentious ass genre you call classical(and only like a handful of classical music is even worth listening to)

good bait bud

Yea op is retarded all rappers are capitalists