Singlehandedly manages to kill off jazz as a viable format forever

who cares

And why is he important

he's the only jazzfag my mom knows lol
this nigga is so fucking boring bro

your mom doesn't know kenny g?

He's the inventor of chicken marsalis. Very influential

Better than Bono anyways.

Jazz killed itself, just like classical and rock. There was nowhere new and musically appealing for it to go.

If there's nowhere for rock to go, there's nowhere for anything to go. It encompasses all music. It can be hard blues based, have a violin section, a mambo breakdown, crooning, yelling, sweet girl whispering, guitars, ukulele, piano, nothing but drums, hurdy gurdy, make you get up a dance, and make you lay down and trance.
The anyone wants to break from it means they're absolute faggots and don't like music at all. And time has proven that right. Get rid of rock and all you're left with is corps shoving Disney shit everywhere or just criminals who are more notable for killing each other.

Prog rock is the only rock genre with some life left in it, but it will require abandoning live performance and going full studio trickery. The 70s bands already pushed live prog as far as it could go. Some people will see this as a betrayal of rock's core values and not truly rock.

He was and probably still is a major figure in the US jazz scene. Sells out concerts, writes relatively popular articles on the music and culture, but he's notorious and controversial because he's very old-fashioned and very gatekeep-y. Thinks that only older styles of jazz are "real" like big band, bop, swing, straight-ahead, and thinks jazz should just stay in the 1940s and 50s and never evolve. Most jazz musicians and fans consider him a bit of a prick, despite being a talented bandleader.

rock absolutely does not "encompass all music" kek. rockists prog symphonies are never through-composed to the same extent as composers and their improvisational talents are dogshit compared to jazzists, just to list a couple things off the top of my head

jesus, rockfags are tiring, it's sad that almost all music discourse is built around your shitty grandpa music

Actually, prog rock has been redundant bullshit since the 80s, that's why every prog artist eventually moves on to metal, electronic or psychdelia

Marsalis has called rap "hormone driven pop music"[5] and said that hip hop "reinforces destructive behavior at home and influences the world's view of the Afro American in a decidedly negative direction."[24]

Holy based

This, sad but true

Post your favorite artists/albums so we can judge your tastes.

Rather he rescued jazz from fuzak stagnation and revived interest in BOTH bop and trad jazz idioms.

thinks jazz should just stay in the 1940s and 50s and never evolve.

This is wrong, all he thinks is that jazz should retain the characteristics of JAZZ, not just become instrumental rock with improvised solos. His own music is by and large very progressive, and his 80s output basically spearheaded the post-post-bop wave that is still going to this day.

His own music is by and large very progressive

Zero contradiction. You can have fusionfags on one side of the planet doing one thing and oldfags doing their own thing but this basic concept of musical co-existence makes him seethe and its pathetic.

rock absolutely does not "encompass all music" kek. r

It can be whatever the fuck you want, retards. It isn't "grandpa" music or anything else. It isn't any limited to any sound, any instrument, any type of vocal, any type of region, any language, any type of production, any scale, any mode, any aesthetic, any set. It just has to rock and everyone will know what that is when it happens. If you thought it was anything specific, that's your own problem. You can "kek" all you want, but you'd just be laughing at yourselves at lacking imagination in the least constrained genre there is.
Second is straight pop. But pop has to be pithy and catchy at least. You don't even have to be catchy in rock. It could be completely experimental.

you have to go back

is built around your shitty grandpa music

Yeah people care more about oldies

Now you're going to play board police? Just use your ears, bitch. It isn't hard. Show me one other genre with as much variety. Everything I'm saying is easily proven.

Dream music history:

In the 1940s European jazz artists like Edith Piaf and Django Reinhardt were the most popular. In the mid to late 50s attention shifted to American bebop artists like Miles Davis, Charles Mingus, and Art Blakey were most popular. Jazz remained the most popular music until the mid 60s, when the British invasion became popular, with a mod subculture forming in the country. Hippie psychedelia never took hold, but singer/songwriters like Leonard Cohen and Serge Gainsbourg became popular in the late 60s. In the early 70s glam rock artists like Roxy Music, T. Rex, and David Bowie became extremely popular, as did "krautrock" bands like Can and Faust. In the late 70s some new wave/post-punk artists became popular, like Gang of Four and The Police, as did some heavy metal artists like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Venom, and Motörhead. By the mid 80s this had turned into an often violent rivalry between indie fans who preferred artists like The Smiths, The Wedding Present, Hüsker Dü, and The Jesus and Mary Chain, and metal fans who preferred early thrash artists like Celtic Frost (uniquely the most popular metal band at the time in the country), Sodom, and Kreator. Curiously, in the 90s grunge never became popular in the country. Instead, industrial rock/metal artists like Nine Inch Nails, Ministry, Godflesh, and Rammstein led the alternative revolution there. By the mid 90s Britpop bands like Suede, Supergrass, Oasis, and Pulp became extremely popular, and many people were also vocal fans of black metal artists like Mayhem.

Trip-Hop/Downtempo artists like Tricky and Portishead were also very popular at this time. In the early 00s rock fans enjoyed mainstream "indie" artists like The White Stripes, The Libertines, The Vines, Bloc Party, The Drones, and Yeah Yeah Yeahs, as well as post-hardcore artists like Converge and At the Drive-In. Pop Divas and boy bands did not become very successful in the country, with two exceptions: the biggest divas in the early 00s were NOT Britney and Christina, but rather Brandy and Alicia Keys, which was promoted as something of a rivalry. Hip Hop had limited success in the country, but in the late 80s/early 90s two hip hop groups gained some attention: De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest. In the late 90s OutKast became the biggest hip hop group in history within the country, and then hip hop gained limited attention except for alternative-minded artists like Aesop Rock, Tyler the Creator and Odd Future, Kevin Abstract, and Danny Brown. Going into the 2010s the biggest pop stars were Marina & The Diamonds, Janelle Monae, Aurora, and Bat for Lashes. Some punk and metal bands have also become very popular, including Touche Amore, Behemoth, Psychonaut 4, and Lifelover

J Mood [Columbia, 1985]
As the first young jazz musician ever to enjoy true major-label promotion, Marsalis is trapped into selling an image whether he likes it (or admits it) or not. On the one hand, he inevitably attracts admirers who respond not to the substance he hawks so assiduously but to the idea of it, which makes me wonder whether they really thrill to the shadings and dynamics that up till now have constituted his genius. And on the other hand, those of us who can't stand his expensive tailoring and neoconservative pronunciamentos are tempted to dismiss the pleasures they insure. Listen hard enough and pleasures reveal themselves in profusion, but despite what Marsalis believes even their profusion isn't quite reason enough to bother, because in his wrongheaded determination to adjure the trendy and the obvious, he never lets loose. Most of us would say that inventing meaning while letting loose is the essence and promise of jazz. Neoconservatives wouldn't--maybe because they're not up to it. B+

will smith

You are genuinely fucking retarded if you think rock is as diverse as classical lmao. The renaissance period alone is more vast than all of rock.

Classic rock is limited, but prog is obviously more diverse than classical because it subsumes classical. ELP is the most obvious example.

rapes wynton and his fans to death

gives it a B+

watered down bach tonality but with muh rockist spectacle

subsumes classical

People like you are the reason why prog dorks will always be considered pretentious kids and never serious people. Ever.

You will never have the balls to say such nonsense in the /classical/ gen because we all know you would get violently raped and gangbanged, kek

Metalfags and rockfags are incapable of thinking about music unless it's genre categories. That's why they think their music is the most diverse, because all they ever talk about is one micro subgenre after another. But an actual analysis of actual musical qualities like form, harmony and tonality, scales and voicings, key signatures and tonal centers will immediately reveal that one era of classical has more going on than all of rock/pop and metal combined.

I'm not even that big a Beethoven fan but he has more variety than most of rock. But normies will never understand this because Beethoven doesn't have as many autistic genre classifications as some random metal or rock scene does.