Every greatest jazz albums list ever:
2 - a love supreme
1 - kind of blue
Are these objectively the best jazz albums in this particular order or are jazz fanatics afraid to have their own taste?
Every greatest jazz albums list ever:
They are both pretty goddamn fantastic but they do get talked about too much, especially by the type of jazz fan who just started listening and wants to fit in. Major critics like Ted Gioia or Ethan Iverson love these albums but do admit they're reputation is a little much.
they're
whatever, you know what word i meant
i love coltrane generally but i dont really like that album. its constantly repeating a short phrase over and over again, creeps me out so i havent tried it very often, i cant stand anything that reminds me of organized religions or cults
creeps me out
he's not trying to rape you like your pedo vicar uncle, anon
objectively
Cringe.
Anyway here's the actual best jazz album of all time.
best jazz album of all time
not an actual jazz album
I love In a Silent Way but come on.
Neither are the best record released by either artist.
he has so many good albums that i havent even heard like half of them. i heard this one for the first time today and its so good that i overcame my adhd and marathoned it twice! its his second album as leader yet you can still tell that he has so much to say that hes basically constrained by the style that hes playing in but at the same time he still fits into that older style of playing perfectly
Mogged
meant to attach this
Still gatekeeping what's 'real' jazz or not.
Okay Wynton, what genre is it then? Tell me specifically.
touristcore
yeah, no
correct
yeah, no
Then offer a counter. What would YOU say is the best jazz album of all time? Or at the very least the best Davis album if it's not Silent or Kind of Blue
best of all time
probably the bridge by sonny rollins
best davis album
porgy and bess, ESP or live evil
i don't get it
just call it pretentious wankery and move on, that's what all the cool and very intelligent kids do these days
Jazz Fusion. Sure, it has elements of jazz and of rock, but it's deliberately its own thing apart from them. There's barely any melody, the improvisation is not based on chord changes or melody, the bass doesn't walk or play like in a typical jazz record.
Counter-mogged.
Jazz Fusion
That is quite literally jazz.
the bass doesn't walk
plenty of Blue Note and 50s jazz doesn't have walking basslines.
There's barely any melody
Coleman? Brotzman? Braxton? Cherry? Since when is jazz REQUIRED to have a melody?
My fucking god this is gatekeeping to end all gatekeeping.
Jazz Fusion is still jazz by your own admission.
This is my own fault for eating bait this blatant but whatever.
Coleman? Brotzman? Braxton? Cherry?
All of these except arguably Braxton are literally all melody though?
They were predominantly free jazz and had plenty of classic songs and albums that had no melody (unless you count the last two minutes of side A on Machine Gun I guess but that's a big reach).
And it still does count as Jazz unless you are saying Braxton isn't a Jazz musician.
My fucking god this is gatekeeping to end all gatekeeping
Oh boo fucking hoo, fag, sorry that you can't stand other people knowing your shit better than you.
sorry that you can't stand other people knowing your shit better than you.
It's not about 'knowing better', it's about forcing in requirements that don't apply to plenty of jazz albums. If an album had to have ALL of the requirements you listen to count as Jazz then a lot of sub genres just wouldn't count.
You're just shy of saying Jazz should've stopped at Dixieland.
You're just shy of saying Jazz should've stopped at Dixieland.
No, you retard, I just can tell Dixieland and Jazz Fusion apart, which you cannot.
I just can tell Dixieland and Jazz Fusion apart,
Who the fuck said anything about 'telling them apart'? The argument wasn't whether subgenres of jazz were different, it's about Fusion still counting as Jazz. You just goalpost shifted.
The question was "if it's not jazz, what is it?" and you just named a sub genre of jazz.
Nothing Like You
uses the word literally incorrectly
Argument automatically invalidated and discarded.
jazz
album
jazz
I didn't though.
i dont see RVG in the runout, are you sure that is an authentic jazz record?
Got him
is this /jazz/?
Good choice, jazz fusion is jazz, even though this album doesn't swing which is what the haters are on about.
And why not? They are some of the most influential and captivating albums in all music, not just jazz, and good entry points. Kind of Blue is like the most basic perfect interpretation of jazz that exists, and a Love Supreme is a good middle point between Coltrane's Bop era and his free jazz works, it's important because he was one of the most impressive and forward-thinking musicians ever. Best Miles album? probably not, I prefer his fusion era, but it's still a 10
Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, Louis Armstrong
music
Miles Davis, John Coltrane
not music
And why not?
Best Miles album? probably not
free jazz means no melody
Please learn to listen better. Especially Coleman and Cherry's whole styles were about motivic improvisation on set melodies eschewing form, many of Braxton's pieces and Brotzmann's later work functions in a similar manner.
You probably consider Duke Ellington music, which invalidates your list because he bridges the gap between these two eras of jazz music
I can still see the value and impact it has had, even if it's not my personal favorite. If you can't accept that I don't know what else I can do for you.
mogged
Glenn Miller
Not music.
Benny Goodman
Music.
Louis Armstrong
Music.
Miles Davis
Music.
John Coltrane
Music.
search for the new land better
Based
not music
in the mood is probably one of if not THE most iconic big band songs
A total non-entity, zero impact on jazz history other than being emblematic of the most corny, artistically void pop jazz.
0 - Chameleon
most corny, artistically void pop jazz
what the fuck does that even mean
It is literally impossible for jazz fusion to be "literally jazz" because the entire point of fusion is to blend jazz with non-jazz elements, retard. I agree it's a valid subgenre (usually) but to call it "literal jazz" when it has rock solos, funky accent beats and whatnot is deeply, deeply ignorant.
This, most people I know who love that song are the tourist-y types who think Whiplash, though admittedly entertaining, is some deep accurate insight into the culture
because the entire point of fusion is to blend jazz with non-jazz elements
Which means it is still jazz. Including other genres with the jazz does not keep it from being jazz.
entry level is...LE BAD
grow up
Yes, but it is not "literally jazz", especially since you're using literally as a synonym for "exactly", which means you used the word literally wrong, which means your argument is still ignorant dogshit.
strawman fallacy arguments are....LE GOOD
I love Black Saint and Bitches Brew, keep malding
what fallacy? you literally called glen miller tourist music
nta retard
A lot of entry music is excellent like what the OP mentioned but when someone only listens to entry music, good or bad, that's an obvious red flag
what fallacy
You just fucking accused him of hating entry level music because he disliked one example of it. That is a fallacy and you're a fucking autistic retard if you can't see or admit that.
Yes, but it is not "literally jazz"
Meaning it's figuratively jazz? How does that work?
it means exactly what you think it means
yummy yummy yummy cummies in my tummy
Yes, but it is not "literally jazz"
So which form of jazz would be the 'literal' form? Post-Bop? Modal? Dixieland? ECM?
How do we decide which sub genres get to be literal jazz and which ones don't?
Another reason why it never made sense to use that word in the first place
There is no such thing as "literal jazz" retard see
imho theres no literal form of jazz because jazz at its peak is always evolving and responding to the things around it, so "literal jazz" should always be fluid and alive.
"Real jazz" should act kinda like cum imho
glenn miller tex beneke ernie caceres and billy butterfield are objectively good musicians
and then all together and you get objectively good music
also i know young jazz fans like to shit on white big bands like the dorsey brothers but jimmy dorsey was a heavy influence on charlie parker
you might suggest it's not the best one, but i still adore bitches brew.
jazzies in my saxy
Doesn't mean it's used incorrectly. If it's jazz, then it's literally jazz. The word "literally" is merely redundant but not wrong.
Doesn't mean it's used incorrectly
It was used incorrectly.
If it's jazz, then it's literally jazz
Pretentious gibberish.
The word "literally" is merely redundant but not wrong.
In this context, it's both.
It's always so obvious when someone spends more time talking about jazz than listening to it, kek.
Most underrated jazz album of all time.
Is hot rats jazz? Because I love that album but cant get into this trumpet shit at all
>If it's jazz, then it's literally jazz
Pretentious gibberish.
It's the most simple way of putting it. You used "pretentious" wrong.
Most underrated jazz album of all time.
The most simple way to put it is to not use the word literally at all, brain-damaged subhuman.
Stolen Moments might be the greatest jazz composition, and his tenor solo on it is unbelieavably beautiful.
Not even slightly. This is one of the primo contrarian picks. Not that it's not a great record, mind you.
No.
Most underrated jazz album of all time.
I already said that the word literally is redundant. You're missing the point.
this is the best
Naw, you're still wrong.
i love the jazz that is between bop and free, especially when it swings like crazy
"Free bop". Andrew Hill does it best imo
based
Literally the most underrated jazz album of all time.
Jazz is fucking trash, listen to real music
this one is pretty good, kenny dorham is kinda mid on here but the rest are playing out of their minds at times