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Maria Lettberg's Scriabin
FUCK yes
Also first for ustadians can't write good music
Top 5 composer you would erase from history if you could? (No baits, your honest thoughts)
For me:
Stravisnky
Ives
Bach
Schoenberg
Glass
why [this is optional]
I could elaborate on each, but I have disdain for academic, soulless crap that is religioisly worshipped, as well as minimalistic nonsense. I guess my choices are subconsciously a bait, which I can't help, because I view them as overrated first and foremost. But their influence is also quite damaging.
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Can't help but agree. However I asked for 5 composers specifically, I'd like to hear that from you.
so desperate for responses to his shitty bait that he had to repost it
lmao
At times like these I think of the Master of Music and Poetry in whose name this general was consecrated. Wagner would not have allowed his discord kittens to grow so unruly. With his integral and organic conception of the artwork he would, while paying the respect due to those composers out of whose genius was formed these pristine instruments of musical understanding, recognize these matters as beneath the dignity of the true artist for whom they are but tools of his unified expression. Come, let us embrace one another as sisters and retreat to the seraglio to repose in profound meditation upon the works of the Master.
You can't possibly think, in earnest, that people bang on and on and on about Bach, magnifying his stature and impact in increasingly ridiculous and inverisimile (but dead serious) ways like they do with Wagner. There are no Bach schizos.
Tell me about the time Daddy Wagner invented the toilet
There are no Bach schizos.
There probably should, honestly
There is Bach religious cult, I'm baffled you don't notice them. But I deleted that post because it wasn't the truth. I also dislike his overly academic approach, namely the bare minimum lyricism for the sake of 5 voice invertible counterpoint nonsense. Horrible trade-off.
In Meistersinger's harmonies, one hears the echoes of Bach's intricate counterpoint, as if the ghostly specter of the Baroque master had momentarily forsaken the organ in favor of the opera house.
Richard Wagner once said of Johann Sebastian Bach’s music: “That made me what I am. My unending melody is predestined in it.” In Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg, Wagner demonstrated to post-Tristan sceptics his mastery of traditional musical forms. Sonorous chorales, an overture which Wagner described as 'applied Bach', a fugally-inspired toccata, an unforgettable quintet and counterpoint worthy of Bach all feature in this magnificent score celebrating the marriage of inspiration and tradition.
The whole of Die Meistersinger— shaping itself before our very ears — is Wagner's answer to his critics, a song offered them to meet their specifications, filled with all the things they demanded and found wanting in his other work: diatonic structures, counterpoint, singable tunes, ensembles, folk dances worthy of Weber and chorales worthy of Bach.
Zhukov is better
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My favorite Sonata 9.
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There is Bach religious cult
Point me to it
the guy crying about Bach is the same dude that sucks off Rachmaninoff and Elgar btw
Zhukov is better
At being worse
Wow, she looks thrilled to be playing
Please leave my good man Elgar out of this
Some of the most boring Scriabin playing I've ever heard.
ok Igor
No matter how much you simp for her bro she won't sleep with you
lol u only prefer those recordings bc u want middle-aged nothing-faced swede cunny
ok Igor
It's the only explanation for preferring mediocre piano playing.
I can't tell good playing for bad playing, but I'm too deep now to back down
ok Igor
How? Open your fucking eyes.
Bach
OMFG WITH THIS BULLSHIT BACH RELIGION AGAIN STOP BEING SO OBSESSED IT'S CRINGE AND FAIL
not the worst i've heard but certainly too academic
I can't because it doesn't exist
thought so
Terrible falseflag. Genuinely low IQ
Do you know what parody means, my sweet boy
No I asked 'how', can you read anon? Answer me how. Would other people complaining about the same issue suffice?
falseflag
I believe he's mocking you. I realize this may be hard to understand with that incredibly high IQ of yours.
Zhukov has the best op 51 four pieces.
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how dare you point out that I can't
I like its clarity.
No need to reply twice (with different devices or otherwise). In any case, you have a humor of a 60 year old woman.
Oh no, multiple people are pointing out my stupidity. This can't be possible, it MUST be the same person!
kek
Schizo
let me spam strawman i'm sure no one will notice!
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60 year old woman
Zhukov playing Bach
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Wow! The Bach Crazies Are Nasty!
Schizo shit
There was something Messianic about Wagner himself, a degree of megalomania that approached actual lunacy…He was a short man, about 5 feet, 5 inches tall, but he radiated power, belief in himself, ruthlessness, genius. As a human being he was frightening. Amoral, hedonistic, selfish, virulently racist, arrogant, filled with gospels of the superman (the superman naturally being Wagner) and the superiority of the German race, he stands for all that is unpleasant in human character…but his egomania was supported by genius, and after him music was not the same.
There was no other composer who demanded so much from society, and Wagner was certainly not ashamed when it came to his needs: "I am not like other people. I need brightness and beauty and light. The world owes me what I need. I can't live with the miserable whistle of an organist like your master Bach." His selfishness was in madness.
PROOF??? WHERE IS PROOF HURWITZ??? GIVE ME THE STUDY ARRRgh
anime loli shit
Hurwitz simping
shit opinions
colour me surprised
posting the archtypical jewish composer who dealt the last blow to classical music
shit opinion
Color me shocked too sister
It’s all the more remarkable that Wagner could in 1865 get away with painting sexual love in the intoxicating sounds of Tristan’s second act duet; but it is in the question of Musical intoxication that Nietzsche and Eduard Hanslick agree. Wagner’s genius was too powerful. His music ‘bullied the senses’, and overwhelmed the listener. Hanslick felt the sensuality of Tristan to be pornographic.
In such an environment, it must come as no surprise that cultural ‘Decadence’ should take hold. As Stephen Downs writes in Music and Decadence in European Modernism: ‘Decadence is usually associated with themes of despair, deviance, decay, degeneration and death. Its artistic styles are characteristically described as excessive, epicurean, artificial, darkly comic or esoteric, and its structural strategies commonly understood as based upon processes of fragmentation, dissolution, deformation and ornamentation.’
All of these fit Nietzsche’s description of Wagner’s music and would have prepared the ground for such complicated fin de siècle ‘decadents’ as the nihilistic Jewish homosexual, Otto Weininger with his hatred of women and Jews.
Bach cultists need a good beating. Islam will make sure of that. Inshallah
Schonberg assured the supremacy of german music for the next hundred years, and was the true heir of Bach
sister
You got your buzzords confused. Nice try, though, very in the spirit of this general (embarrassing, pointless, impotent, etc)
He raped you.
Bait is supposed to be believable
I WILL NOT BE SEATED NEXT TO THIS EMISSARY OF SATAN
that's not a loli nor looks like one.
lel
Again, it's not hard to use buzzwords and stock phrases correctly
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Symphony of Psalms
Maybe Michael Tilson Thomas, or Rattle or Karajan.
Violin Concerto
Perlman/Ozawa or Chung/Previn
There's lots of goods one of both though, as there is with Stravinsky in general.
Fair enough. For me, I see it as every recording is like attending different live performances -- you don't hope for every single one to be perfect or bust, but rather you enjoy them on their own terms, as its own experience and vision. Which isn't to say one shouldn't have favorites and preferences, of course one should, but just because you have a favorite food doesn't mean that's all you eat.
Anyway, that's merely my view on it. With recorded media, this of course changes the calculus a bit, so I understand your side too; if you're gonna spend time listening to music, and you have the ability to play the perfect, ideal performance over-and-over with no limit or need for deviation, well, why wouldn't you? So I respect it, you do you.
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start of Rangstrom: Symphony No. 2 in D Minor, "Mitt land"
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start of Rangstrom: Intermezzo drammatico
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can't get enough of these late 19th/early 20th century (post-)romantics, what can I say
lol one community reviewer writes,
That combined with his distinct ability to create atmosphere results in a memorable piece that really ought to occasionally replace Sibelius' first two symphonies in concert.
jeez, unnecessary shot at Sibelius!
Swedes are angry that they haven't been relevant since Buxtehude (I know he was technically danish, but Helsingborg has been swedish since the 17th century and at the end of the day all continental scandinavians are the fucking same) and need to shit on Sibelius because they can't accept the fact that a composer from a country they owned for half a millenium outshines everything they did since then up to now
lol ah, makes sense, good to know
I'm just speculating, though. Also I dislike swedes so take it with a chunk of salt. I regret saying that all continental scandinavians are the same, though. Norwegians don't deserve such disrespect.
lol well it seems logical. It'd be like reading a reading of Elgar's symphonies and the reviewer says they ought to replace Schumann, just so out of left-field if there isn't some latent animosity going on.
I think would be like someone reviewing Lysenko's orchestral works and saying that they should replace Taneyev or something
start of Rangstrom: Symphony No. 2 in D Minor, "Mitt land"
That was a bit too Langgaardian
You say that like it's a bad thing
Bloated post-romanticism after WWI is a bad thing
Certainly not the kind of thing I'd listen to all day but from time to time, like eating a fudge cake, sure.
Okay I just finished listening to it and yeah that wasn't that great.
hurr durr petite women don't exist
fucking americans
what's some good degenerate classical music?
I'd be offended that you call me a ustadian if you weren't a disingenuous pedo who wants to fuck 10 year olds in real life
Wagner
thoughts on Stockhausen?
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start of Haydn: Piano Trio in E Major, Hob. XV:28
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start of Haydn: Piano Trio in E-Flat Major, Hob. XV:29
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start of Haydn: Piano Trio in E-Flat Major, Hob. XV:30
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start of Haydn: Piano Trio in E-Flat Minor, Hob. XV:31
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Haydn's Piano Trios are among the most delightful and inventive of all his works. They have a 'domestic' reputation, and indeed they were intended for playing at home. Many outstanding musicians of the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries never performed in public for one simple reason: they were women. Who knows how many gifted women musicians were denied opportunities that their male counterparts enjoyed? Haydn wrote a set of three piano trios for Thesese Jansen, a pupil of Clementi and a pianist Haydn considered to be among London's finest. The Florestan Trio, with their magnificent pianist Susan Tomes, dazzle in this repertoire. Their first disc of Haydn's piano trios was enthusiastically acclaimed.
interesting blurb
Has anyone here listened to every Haydn symphony, piano trio, string quartet, and keyboard/piano sonata?
Haydn, in spite of his crucial role in the development of academic music from his day all the way to the modern period, and in spite of how many composers he influenced, taught, or otherwise promoted, appears to me as honestly worryingly underrated/underappreciated as regards to his music itself.
Point being, papa Haydn needs more love, and his music needs to be discussed/posted more often
Yeah but I'd be lying if I said that I can recall all of them. Enjoyable as they all are, after a while they tend to blend together. Not necessarily a bad thing, though. Scarlatti's sonatas also tend to blend together, but that just means I can enjoy hours upon hours of good music without getting tired.
stealing from an Amazon review
Karlheinz Stockhausen was one of the most significant composers of the late 20th century, a contemporary of Boulez and Berio, successor to Webern, pioneer of electroaccoustic music and a wholly original voice in modern music.
There are going to be people reading this review for whom the music itself, indeed Stockhausen's music generally, is entirely new. What should you expect? Music that is intense, exciting, original, but also uncompromisingly modern: don't look for tunes, there aren't any!
As a devotee of 20th century modernism, I love this music and would recommend it to anyone with a bit of adventure about them. It is music that gives more of itself on each hearing.
it's really the kind of thing you have to hear for yourself and decide from there
where do i start with Liszt, what are his essential works?
I also dislike his overly academic approach, namely the bare minimum lyricism for the sake of 5 voice invertible counterpoint nonsense. Horrible trade-off.
That's an excellent way of putting it, although I think occasionally I've heard nice pieces by him that sound 'lyrical'
inb4 the leslie howard anon
your 5 favorites
why
you removed two of my favorites and I want to get back at you + you sound like you haven't studied music for over 5 seconds in your life
based
You need to listen to 20 different recordings of Années De Pèlerinage. Just kidding, but do listen to at least one recording of it.
essential works
Kinda hard to narrow down. His tone poems and two symphonies for sure, his two piano concertos and piano sonata, the aforementioned Années De Pèlerinage, Harmonies Poétiques Et Religieuses, his two famous sets of études (in my opinion the original versions are better than the simplified ones), his hungarian rhapsodies, both for piano solo and the orchestral transcriptions, his requiem, his Christus oratorio, all of his masses except maybe the one for organ solo (Missa Pro Organo), his Via Crucis, his late loose pieces for solo piano that flirt with atonality, Valses Oubliées, Mephisto-Walzes.... There's a lot, man.
Hey
I heard the piece Aphex Twin of Richard James carefully: I think it would be very helpful if he listens to my work "Song of the Youth," which is electronic music, and a young boy's voice singing with himself. Because he would then immediately stop with all these post-African repetitions, and he would look for changing tempi and changing rhythms, and he would not allow to repeat any rhythm if it [was] varied to some extent and if it did not have a direction in its sequence of variations
for orchestral
Faust Symphony
Dante Symphony
Les Preludes
and then depending how much you like those, maybe check out an orchestral set and try out the rest of his tone/symphonic poems
for solo piano
Annees de Pelerinage
Harmonies poétiques et religieuses
Piano Sonata in B minor
then there's the Hungarian Rhapsodies and a bunch pf short stuff like the Legendes, Lieberstraum, Consolations, and a couple others
and then the piano concertos
He has some choral stuff too if you're into that but if you aren't then they aren't essential
let's get Romantic with Janowski
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finale is only 18:48 on this recording
damn that's fast. let's see how he pulls it off. might be the fastest I've seen
this is true music, unlike the shit y'all have been posting so far
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here's hoping this helps you become more educated
CIA slop
favorite Renaissance composers?
Faust Symphony
Dante Symphony
Les Preludes
what your favorite recordings for these?
also what is the best orchestral set?
None, he's trash.
where do i start with Handel?
why is that?
water music
harpsichord suites
organ concertos
messiah
It's a meme
Orlando di Lasso
I'm and my fav recordings of those pieces are, respectively: Solti, CSO, Siegfried Jerusalem; Kirill Karabits, Staatskapelle Weimar; Staatskapelle Weimar, Arthur Fagen (hungarian rhapsodies); Bernard Haitink, London Philharmonic Orchestra (all tone poems)
Messiah (rec recording: Jeffrey Thomas)
Organ Concertos (rec recording: Marie-Claire Alain)
Giulio Cesare (rec recording: Rene Jacobs)
Keyboard Suites sets 1 and 2 (rec recording: Simone Stella and Gilbert Rowland respectively)
Josquin
great pick
Plebby picks, but Palestrina and Monteverdi
Lesser known/underappreciated Brahms coming thru
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Josquin, Ockeghem, Obrecht, Lassus, De La Rue
guardame las vacas
lol
Shostakovich
Mozart on guitar
Might as well listen to the Amadeus OST
Franz Schrecker
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