Beethoven edition
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Richard Wagner
Piano Sonata no 1
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Wagner is sophistication.
bait has to be believable
Wagner is sophistication
why do you post like you're underage
how is that bait?
What would Wagner think of the Wagner Group? Would he consider them an accurate reflection and continuation of his works?
it isn't bait, as i said. it fails to be believable, and thus does not qualify as such.
I wouldn't bother responding to that anon's idiocy
1 minute of all 9 Mahler symphonies played at the same time :)
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Peak.
That opinion is awful but, I will say Beethoven's 1st Symphony is kind of crappy
I don't think anyone, not even Beethoven, cared or cares about that one
Szymanowski is one of the most important, and one of the most overlooked, composers of the first half of the 20th century. Please take a moment to appreaciate Szymanowski.
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the opinion expressed in the OP image is anything but awful
Based.
Bach/Mozart/Schönberg is the correct trinity
Every time I revisit Debussy I find out I've been missing out on some work by him. I swear I only found out a few minutes ago about the suite for two pianos En Blanc Et Noir. I don't know why this keeps happening. It's like the motherfucker is retroactively releasing new music every two years or so. I wonder what new composition by him I'll learn about next.
Bait is supposed to be believable
I don't think so, all it needs is to be provocative enough to elicit a response. Such as the one you've given it.
Rhys Chatham
That's like saying you don't need to catch a fish while fishing just so long as the hook gets caught in something even if it's just the riverbank
Not really.
How? Bait is literally shitposts people post to "get" other posters. You're a poster, are you not? Or are you a bot?
thanks RYMsister
an exploding septic tank elicits a response. i suppose in a technical sense that is due to its being provocative, although that is hardly its most salient characteristic.
more admired than liked
Gesundheit
convoluted simile veering off-topic
Still not proving or even suggesting that bait has to be believable. The argument that all it needs to do is elicit a response from a poster remains true.
Richard Wagner is my name,
Germany is my nation,
Bayreuth is my dwelling place,
And Valhalla my expectation.
I'm a Chinese sexbot
Yes really
I like his stuff a lot, but don't admire him in the least.
Valhalla is literally not a real place, and you're literally not Wagner
Not really, not at all
I thought he was Christian.
pics or it didn't happen
He went too far, he should have stuck to earth like his friend Liszt
I thought he was Christian.
He was in the same sense that neo-nazis/"the alt-right" are christian
Yeah, maybe then he would've written some good music
Yes really yes really at all.
It's a lovely recording, thanks for sharing. Added the whole thing.
but the response that was elicited is about the nature of bait, not about the topic being baited. call it what you will, but that represents a failure of bait.
There is no such thing as failed bait when it gets attention. That is literally all bait is. Your continued protestation only proves the argument is true.
Beethoven shews such daring in his symphonies, such caution in his (only) opera, "Fidelio." The cramping structure then accepted as the mould of Opera I assigned in my preceding essay as the reason of the master's turning a sullen back on further attempts with the dramatic genre. Why he did not seek to broaden the whole style of Opera itself into correspondence with his mighty genius, was manifestly that he found no instigation in the only case that [176] lay before him; that he did not strive to gain him such a stimulus by hook or crook, we must explain by the all-unknown New having already opened up to him as Symphonist. If we watch him in the fulness of his innovating force, we can but recognise that he fixed for once and all the character of independent Instrumental-music by the plastic barriers his impetuous genius never overstepped itself.
Yeah but that's probably the sisterposter and you could literally type out the keyboard to them and they'd respond to it every single time to the end of time
Still, bait replied to is successful bait.
Only worthwhile posts in this general so far
not if it immediately expands into a discussion of the nature of bait. that's like saying a song is successful if you immediately start thinking how much better some other song sounds.
Wrong again. As stated, bait's entire reason d'être is to elicit a response, *any* response. A song's reason d'être might be that, though it might not. It might have several. Biat is just that: Bait. If a poster bites, the baiter won.
Bach
Boring
Bach Cantata
Even more boring
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Love Tharaud's recording of Bach's Italian Concerto (and some other misc. pieces included in that recording) so finally added a handful of his other recordings to give them a listen, which includes this piano Bach release full of lesser-known pieces and transcriptions played on piano, a couple Chopin albums, a Satie album, a Rameau album, stuff like that. Should be a good time!
>Bach
Boring
Not only wrong but unnecessarily rude.
that's just provocation though. bait is more circumscribed. if it cannot be engaged with on its own merits, then it is failed bait.
Bait is bait; if you reply to it you've taken it. Much like any other trolling technique, attention of any kind is what it's after. The only winning move is not to play. Bait is bait.
Bach is so boring. Although you can sense some musical talent, he dedicated the entirety of his career to being a second-rate Petzold.
Bait is not supposed to be believable
Sharing another piece from this album because it's lovely stuff.
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The Bach purists here are gonna hate this one, but it's great for piano music fans.
The only winning move is not to play
that might be true if the response kept to within the bounds of the topic being baited (i.e. were 'circumscribed', as i've said). where it expands beyond that though (that is, when the bait has failed and becomes just provocation), then that response is just discussion. it succeeds or fails by its own merits.
The sisterpisser has never not replied to bait in their life-they're still responding to people in the old dead thread
bassed
If the bait is replied to, the baiter wins. I don't know how to dumb this down further for you.
can everyone post their favorite piece by purcell if they've got one? just curious about where everyone lands here.
Problem?
Lachemann is life
Are you the anon who posted five operas by Purcell in the last thread?
ONE IN TEN, ONE IN TEN
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I can't choose, and don't really care for his vocal music (i.e. most of his music)
aye
Sounds goofy
I've accepted it's the mindless activity they like to do while listening to music. Some people like to walk, some like to do dishes, some like to just sit, they like to post low-effort replies here while focusing on the music.
That's on you, my guy. Why would you listen to Debussy's Prèludes as interpreted by anyone other than Zimerman?
It's not healthy to choose being annoying and ruining people's fun as a "mindless activity". In fact it's pretty sociopathic. Why do you accept sociopathic behaviour, anon?
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Lovely.
That one's alright but a bit overrated in my opinion. There are several other recordings with more character I prefer listening to.
flute sonata
it's on piano
huh
I said it's an album full of Bach transcriptions for piano!
overrated
other recordings with more character
How long have you been a contrarian, anon?
Since late 2008 when I first started browsing Anon Babble, I suppose. Probably long before that.
:p
Zimerman's a fine choice for the Preludes.
Well, that's another discussion entirely. I was only explaining why they do it. Beats staring at a wall while listening to music.
It's a Debussy problem
Just messing with you, Osborne is pretty great, and I also really like Benedetti Michelangeli, but Zimerman has them all beat in my book (when it comes to the Prèludes)
Not really.
Perhaps try this more diffuse option then:
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He's saying Debussy is bad. Y'all need to begin to understand and recognise trolls and to stop replying to them. I won't *always* be here to educate your asses.
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Some men you just can't reach
It's a bad goofy piece by Debussy no pianist is going to change that. It's a rare miss from him. You can't have all your pieces be perfect
I wasn't saying Debussy is bad at all, just that one very specific piece, sheesh
I understand. Sometimes it's the recording though, so was helping determine which it was by providing more options.
debussy isn't bad though. the other poster's response, which flows seamlessly with the course of these threads, does not qualify as 'falling' for bait therefore. it broadened the scope of the discussion. how is this a win for the baiter?
You took it, you fool, you absolute big top, you complete and utter bauble-studded, rhombus-clad, red, green and yellow court jester. You did yourself a mischief, you big shoed small car'd funny rednose man.
implying i was baiting you with the above
*wasn't
Is the orgue different from the organ?
it's frencher
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start of Schubert: Piano Trio No. 1 in B-Flat Major, Op. 99, D. 898
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start of Schubert: Piano Trio No. 2 in E-Flat Major, Op. 100, D. 929
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Goulding it up here boss
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We baited eachother. Now we kiss.
please don't
idunno, is the morgue different from the morgan
i can think of something better for two master baiters to do
too late
You do realise our hands are free while we kiss, right? We can do more than one thing.
baited again. i don't actually like purcell
thanks gould ghoul
Are we gonna fuck or what
odd-looking duck. looks like my grandma
favorite purcell piece first please!
any fans of Messiaen's Vingt Regards sur l'Enfant-Jesus?
As close to God as we can get without dying!
An astonishing achievement! This miraculous music by Messiaen out punks punk, out heavy-metals heavy metal, out jazzes jazz, out minimilizes minimalism - the list just goes on!
It seems to have some really massive devotees.
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You want more?
Gould's Hindemith is nice
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Schubert Fantasy D940
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It's pretty stupid because no one actually has 4 hands
Argerich
Never not based, never not goated. Literally the anti-Brarenboim
That's aged scandinavians for ya
great question RYMsister
great question gould ghoul
thanks gould ghoul
i've probably spent more time reading about it than listening to it, desu. all a bit too formidable for my taste
any fans of Messiaen's Vingt Regards sur l'Enfant-Jesus?
yeah
no one actually has 4 hands
especially not pianos, they rarely even have one
argerich
never not cringe, never not shit. reddit pianist
klenau
>argerich
never not cringe, never not shit. reddit pianist
nice selfie, maybe try posting it on instead?
I loved him on Constantine, never knew he played the piano
Much appreciated for posting these lesser known pieces.
i'm afraid i don't get the reference
great question RYMsister
I figure it'd be a music student's wet dream.
Same. I'm gonna give it another try though.
Wagner is order.
so true RYMsister
thanks wagnersister
definitely. there's just so much good stuff out there.
nice selfie, maybe try posting it on instead?
nice selfie, maybe try posting it on instead?
i'm afraid i don't get the reference
I've always said Gould really brings Mozart to life
nice selfie, maybe try posting it on instead?
so true gould ghoul
fuck you saw right through me
Will you ever stop lusting after five year old boys?
Accurate: Much like necromancy, his playing is a crime against nature and God.
I know, you even said he was right about the Turkish March
Accurate: Much like necromancy, his playing is a crime against nature and God.
That's pretty funny actually
great question schizo sister
so true gould ghoul
how very
I'm clever and funny and Gould is abherrant and inexcusable; what's new?
I'll take that as a resounding "no".
Reminder that the one and only
GLENN GOULD
O
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was chosen to play the Well-Tempered Clavier for the Voyager Golden Record, which was then sent to space.
Thousands of years from now our species will be extinct, but the best pianist of all time will still represent our human SOUL to future alien civilizations.
GOULD WILL OUTLAST RICHTER, SCHIFF AND EVERYONE ELSE
GOULD IS ETERNAL
PRAISE GOULD
thanks schizo sister
thanks gould ghoul
S'Based
It's kinda impressive how monumental a figure Stravinsky is within music given how little music of his is actually part of the standard repertoire and actively performed.
brahms
Every composer in romanticism that lays claim to the 'classical' canon either deceives the listener or deceives themselves. 'Deceives me?!': most listeners' instincts protest against this - they don't want to be fooled that the music has depth - but one should still prefer even this type to the others (who 'deceive themselves'), for music which seduces is in good taste. To put it simply, for the benefit of those with 'Germanic' tastes: Brahms v.s. Wagner. Wagner deceives the listener, while Brahms deceives himself. Brahms remains touching so long as he dreams or mourns over himself in private (in the chamber, at the piano)--in that respect he is romantic--; however, he becomes sterile, we no longer feel at one with him, when he anachronistically poses as a child of the classicists .... people categorise Brahms as Beethoven's heir: I know of no more cautious euphemism!
That's honestly pretty common
What about Chopin?
I'm sure there are plenty of copypastas about him
Maybe I should have said compared to the amount of his music that's actually good.
brahmscucks seething
confession: I don't enjoy Beethoven's late string quartets anymore
I mean I can kind of how he might consider himself to be following Mozart in places without any deception
great question chopincel
so true wagnersisters
Go to a psychiatrist
Grieg
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thank you shlomosister
Abel-Marie Alexis Decaux
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a bit boring innit
I'm sure brainlets are bored to tears by anything more challenging than Petzold
He wrote the pieces between 1900 and 1907, but they were not published until 1913. Whatever the reason for the delay (perhaps no other publisher would take them seriously?), Decaux’s teacher Massenet died in 1912 and so was spared what would surely have been a rude shock, not so much at the technique—as Richard Taruskin has pointed out, everything stems from the two falling bell motives at the outset (major second, major third; minor second, minor third)—as at the extraordinary harmonies and the no less extraordinary syntax. Whole tone aggregations (as at the beginning of ‘La Ruelle’) and consecutive fifths were nothing so out-of-the-way around 1900, but some of Decaux’s chords seem to have been taken from a source such as the songs in Schoenberg’s Das Buch der hängenden Gärten; the only problem being that these weren’t written until 1909. Throughout, major and minor triads are scrupulously avoided or else, as in ‘La mer’, coloured persistently with a sharpened fourth. Again, this piece was written in December 1903, nearly two years before the premiere of Debussy’s La mer and six years before his similarly wild Prélude ‘Ce qu’a vu le vent d’ouest’.
I'd say that's pretty interesting
Valhalla is literally not a real place, and you're literally not Wagner
How are you so sure of that?
Wagner is progress.
Damn, so close to artistic fame and immortality but he waited too long.
It's make believe, like Elysium or Shoah (as in jewish hell, not the WWII holocaust whch for some reason they also call Shoah)
What do you mean close? We're discussing him right now.
no u need a 500 gorillion iq to get it
Zzz...
where's the "im gonna progress" poster when you need him
I'm deeply sorry about your being mentally challenged, anon. I'll try to keep it dumb and accessible for your disabled ass.
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Look, look at the pretty colours
Here you go bro, please copy this. It's the score to my latest masterpiece, Jenufa :)
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a set of lesser known orchestral Debussy pieces (Images, Nocturnes, La Mer, etc. are on Vol 1 -- this is other stuff)
Dude I don't know what to tell you. Dude I'm so sorry. Someone chinaman scribbled all over your score. I'm really fucking sorry dude I don't know what to say. I'm wicked sorry bro, I'm so
Janacek was such a troll
Really fucking good music, though. Like a czech Bartók except maybe a bit less out there. Soooo, a czech Kodály I guess
What the fuck
Real fucking good. Wish he had written at least a piano sonata before fucking off into anonimity.
They sure had leaky pens back then
When you remember that they also had pencils it truly makes them all seem like they were doing it on purpose
Bernstein's music any good?
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Leo McGarry: We spent millions of dollars developing a pen for the astronauts that would work in zero gravity. Know what the Russians did?
Toby Ziegler: Used a pencil?
Leo McGarry: They used a pencil.
Meh. I kinda like his Requiem
no
le soviet pencil joke
have fun dying in space when particles of graphite short-circuit your fucking instruments, Major Tom
cant decide if this is worse than beethoven’s handwriting
An urban legend states that NASA spent a large amount of money to develop a pen that would write in space (the result purportedly being the Fisher Space Pen), while the Soviets just used pencils. In reality, NASA began to develop a space pen, but when development costs skyrocketed the project was abandoned and astronauts went back to using pencils, along with the Soviets. However, the claim that NASA spent millions on the Space Pen is incorrect, as the Fisher pen was developed using private capital, not government funding. The development of the thixotropic ink cost Paul Fisher around $1 million (equivalent to $10 million in 2024). NASA, and the Soviets, eventually began purchasing such pens.
You mean Sheol? Also why would you be confused by Jews calling The Holocaust-hell?
so you're saying Aaron Sorkin a hack?
Sheol
Yeah sorry, similar words and similar meanings (Shoah means like a terrible catastrophe etc).
why would you be confused by Jews calling The Holocaust-hell
They're still around, and honestly they've had wrose.
wtf Leonard Slatkin is still alive? well I'll be
Leonard Edward Slatkin (born September 1, 1944) is an American conductor, author and composer.[1]
and honestly they've had wrose.
I think they might disagree with you on that
The 2nd movement is one of the best things he did
Checked and pretty interesting. Very different from the other Clair De Lune- you know the one anons pretend to dislike because it's too popular.
I disagree. I disagree Gary
I often feel this is true of Haydn. Everyone acknowledges Haydn but he's not generally a favorite composer. But I think it's because people don't know his music as well as they know of it
Nice oldfaggy post, upvoted
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start of Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 in A Minor, Op. 77
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start of Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 2 in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 129
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This music is highly charged and a worthy successor to its illustrious predecessor. Again Vengerov's technique is flawless, but more important, his understanding of the music is palpable. The expressive range is effortlessly but meaningfully conveyed, with tempi expertly thought through, for which all praise to the composer's friend Mstislav Rostropovich. The LSO are on top form throughout, but inevitably it is the playing and interpretations of Maxim Vengerov that steal the show.
Possibly the best recordings of these violin concertos.
I think they would, because it's their main source of leverage today, but not because it's not true. Out of curiosity, how do you think jews in Europe were doing between 300 and 1600? Hitler might have gotten the highest single-player score in record time, but that means fuckall when considering history as a whole, my good boy.
My favorite thing I heard about the crusades is that while warriors from most of Europe simply made their journey until they got to the real object of fighting, the Germans additionally slaughtered a bunch of Jew villages they encountered on the way
Thangs wignat sister
No it doesn't at all. If you have 1/3rd of your worldwide population killed in 4-6 years, then saying hah but if you take the amount of Jews killed over a 1300 period it's more! That's irrelevant. I don't think it's true either, I don't think there has been a single greater pogrom in history than the holocaust
hahah I love the big Levowsky
The first five words of your post with the image made me expect a really neat Beethoven anecdote. I am disappointed.
You're wrong, and being purposely dense about it.
I don't think there has been a single greater pogrom in history than the holocaust
*That's* irrelevant.
I am disappointed
Nazis tend to do that
It isn't at all if your're living through that pogrom
the hypotetical experience of a nondescript individual when discussing events that affect entire nations over centuries
now *THAT'S* irrelevant
So if one third of the Jewish population gets wiped out in 6 years at most-that's irrelevant to Jewish history?
absurd hypotetical that resembles nothing discussed so far
holy shit now THAT'S what I call IRRELEVANT
What are you even trying to say?
Holy fucking shit, the Passacaglia from the first concerto is one of the greatest pieces of 20th century classical music, just pure genius
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Sublime
That jews have had a shitty time for most of AD history, and the nazi holocaust being the one even that gets to be called "hell" (that confusion was the start of this whole thing, remember?) would be pretty fucking dumb
Yeah so you said
They're still around, and honestly they've had wrose.
Which point in Jewish history was worse for them the holocaust?
The middle ages, for a start
not /classical/, try instead
more like pure dogshit LOL
No one has said anything bad or good about jews so far, so this isn't Anon Babble material. If anything it's a Anon Babble thing.
Haha you've done it again
what's "baity" about thinking "Bach Mozart Schoenberg" is a valid trinity?
The Middle Ages is hundreds of years I don't think that's true either. I'm assuming you just don't believe it happened because statements like
and the nazi holocaust being the one even that gets to be called "hell" (that confusion was the start of this whole thing, remember?) would be pretty fucking dumb
is just baffling to me. I don't understand what you don't understand that Jews having 1/3rd of their people worldwide(In Europe it was probably far worse) in so short a time would be considered pretty hellish
not /classical/, try instead
Fuck off
I’m also conscious of one other thing: we see Mahler’s late music – the Ninth symphony especially - in a completely different light because we’re now able to hear the realisation of his sketches for the Tenth; perhaps the same is true of Bruckner’s Ninth. The work of Nicola Samale and his colleagues will open our ears to a new perspective on the first three movements of Bruckner’s last symphony.
Hmm, do we? Will we?
Why would you think Schoenberg is that good?
IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME YOU'RE A HOLOCAUST-DENYING NAZI!!!!!!!! THAT'S HOW IT WORKS!!!!! NO I WON'T STUDY HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good game; see ya next time
not /classical/, try instead
I don't fucking know you
Suck my ass
I guess not, but it was a reasonable assumption
not /classical/, try instead
invented a unique language to express himself which in turn led to masterpieces such as his violin concerto, piano concerto, suite op. 29, variations for orchestra, string quartets 3 and 4, and Moses und Aron
Suck my assical try tongue my hol instead
Ravel's Bolero would be nice as an opener for the rest of the concert program, but it's a bit boring to listen to on its own at home, no? Perhaps it's just me.
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not /classical/, try instead
Perhaps it's just me.
You're not alone, anon. There are and have been plenty of morons out there in this green and blue earth of ours.
Th-thanks
guess I'll finally give this recording a listen
start of Chopin: Nocturnes
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give a try and have a good night
I take it back, I am enjoying it right now
:O
Martinon's Ravel is pretty damn good.
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Anyone know what this noise is?
Uh, one of these...
Not sure what you're referring to. Also inb4 "it's Ravel's Bolero"
I'm guessing the thing that sounds like an elephant.
I thought he maybe meant the upward glissandos, but surely those are easily identifiable? I don't hear any "noise" at all
Huh, I guess I was right. Kind of sad.
NTA, but I listen to a lot of classical music while never having seen a live performance nor ever played an instrument myself, so I am basically unable to ever identify the instrument(s) being played as well.
Just saw my first orchestral concert today it was Beethoven’s sixth symphony and it was amazing
You don't need live performances or the ability to play an instrument to do that. Just ears and common sense. Did you think a couple of elephants snuck into the recording and tooted a couple of coincidentally rhythmically and tonally coherent glissandos?
Nta but yes
it sounded different without headphones. With them its prettty clearly some kind of brass
And what the fuck does NTA even mean, ya fucking zoomer
Not that anon
What do y'all do with the time you save with retarded acronyms that betray their very purpose by getting in the way of communication? Have you learned to play any instruments?
y'all
No but I've become an expert in Anon Babble culture.
Surely you are convinced you're making some clever and devastating statement here, but regrettably it is lost on the mentally sound.
I'm truly sorry
mcphee
saeverud
Wagner is the Messiah.
You have 60 seconds to explain why you haven't kissed yourself in the mirror or masturbated to Scriabin yet.
I spiritually masturbate to Scriabin daily, I don't see the point of physically doing it, the material world means nothing.
Star conductor Yannick Nézet-Séguin opts for a Bruckner Third that is beautifully shaped, gently sloping, and rid of all toxic masculinity
Diamond
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only three stars out of five
lmao
Test
Estr
if you listen to a romance written by Tchaikovsky you’re listening to a gay romance. in other words you’re basically listening to gay sex.
Nice
Overrated: Franz Schubert, particularly as a song composer. I find much more care and detail in the songs of Schumann, Brahms and Hugo Wolf. By comparison, Schubert's settings are literal and offhand, and his accompaniments redundant to a degree I find difficult to live with.
I'm gay so I'm ok with that.
o_o
Curious how it sounds
Nice repost
Probably wasn't focusing on his fetish when writing Romeo and Juliet
A bit like pic rel, I suppose
let's start the day with some Havergal Brian
Listen to George Lloyd's Symphony No. 5
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