Schumann edition
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von Schillings
always hear about him
Ok NERDS can someone recommend some baroque with the same stink and funk as Zelenka?
Particularly like the trio sonatas, 4 is my favourite youtube.com
no one is exactly the same as Zelenka, but try Biber
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Greatest One At Stealing
GOAS?
Is there a difference between Schumann and Schubert?
Yeah. One is a Mann and the other is Bert.
Sorry, Greatest One At Theft is what I meant
Is there a difference between Hummel and Mendelssohn?
I played at this concert :) did you end up listening to the recording?
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That's awesome, anon. I did not but I will now, knowing a fellow anon was part of its creation. How was it from your perspective? Are you part of the Sydney Symphony Orchestra?
Schumann
continuing on with the Luisi Nielsen cycle
Nielsen 3
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Nielsen 4
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don't miss out!
can someone recommend me any good books on voice leading?
an Australian? eww.
Schenker's Counterpoint Vol I
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Schenker
I said good.
It was an amazing concert. they spent 150mil Aud on renovating the concert hall and this was the first concerts back there. Is it the best recording ever? probably not. The alto was sick either on the day or the day before so there was a last minute replacement, and also the concertmaster got covid inbetween the General and the 1st performance. that's why if you watch the live broadcast recording on youtube you'll see lots of people in the violin sections wearing masks. but the atmosphere and vibe and just buzz from the audience was crazy, definitely a set of concerts I'll never forget. Yep I'm a permanent member of SSO
The book I'll write in 12 years
permanent
Nothing is permanent
fuck off, abo nigger.
t. USAnistani mutt
seethe more fag, is little johnny sad he never won an audition?
fair
All things must pass
I said good.
what y'all think of Jan Václav Dusík
And I heard your prayers in 12 years
Did you get the posts mixed or are you actually more offended by being reminded of the transcience of all things than you are by being called an "abo nigger"?
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it works i guess
Schumann rocks, Schubert is the poor man's Beethoven
he is literally an aboriginal you fucking bigot.
They are BOTH the poor man's Beethoven.
fucking bigot
The other guy literally called him a nigger, and all I did was ask if he was okay with that.
Very cool, thanks for sharing, anon, and congrats on your position.
Anyone else love these Franz Schmidt symphonies?
Third
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Fourth
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Explain to me why I should
Oh, um, er, they uh, they uh... t-taste good? oh damn it
Take this seriously
I mean I would rather be an abo nigger than DEAD so I kind of get his priorities here.
Okay, they sound good. Play it for a few minutes and you'll know exactly what they're all about, as it's that composition for the entire time, played well and sounding gorgeous.
Plenty symphonies sound good. Sell me his.
nta but bro just listen to it and decide if you like it or not. if music doesn't justify itself, it's not worth listening to.
is as good a justification for a piece of classical music as anything
if music doesn't justify itself, it's not worth listening to.
Gotcha; won't be wasting my time then
He was a true card-carrying Nazi, that help?
Sure he was, and so was Carl Orff
I'm serious.
In the last year of his life Austria was brought into the German Reich by the Anschluss, and Schmidt was feted by the Nazi authorities as the greatest living composer of the so-called Ostmark. He was given a commission to write a cantata entitled The German Resurrection, which, after 1945, was taken by many as a reason to brand him as having been tainted by Nazi sympathy.
Schmidt's premiere of The Book with Seven Seals was made much of by the Nazis (who had annexed Austria shortly before in the Anschluss), and Schmidt was seen to give the Nazi salute (according to a report by Georg Tintner, who revered Schmidt and whose intent to record his symphonies was never realised). His conductor Oswald Kabasta was apparently an enthusiastic Nazi who, being prohibited from conducting in 1946 during de-nazification, committed suicide.
test
now playing
start of Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83
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one community reviewer writes
The old order changeth, but sometimes not for record collectors if they have long memories. The Brahms Second has received some towering recordings from Edwin Fischer, Rudolf Serkin, Maurizio Pollini, Daniel Barenboim, and Sviatoslav Richter, with more than a casual nod to Leon Fleisher, Wilhelm Backhaus, and Ivan Moravec, to speak from my own preferences. I want the pianist to be a titan and the conductor to be an equal partner, making of the accompaniment a fifth Brahms symphony. With those expectations in mind, I was ready to shrug off Nicholas Angelich and Paavo Jarvi as upstarts who could never equal their great predecessors, but that's never a good assumption. Aided by very vivid recorded sound, the two enter the ring with ambitions to challenge the greats. Angelich's interpretation is as sweeping and full of grandeur as any I've heard, and Jarvi provides a fully symphonic frame for the heroic solo part. They make the music sound urgent, and there's not a moment of cool, laid-back playing to be found.
hopefully it's that good!
I'll quote from Wikipedia, a website no one knows about, thus preventing people from double-checking
Nice cherry-picking, asshole
I'm just trying to get the anon to listen to some good music, with historical curiosity (check out the classical of the Nazis!) as a hopeful motivator :(
Hermann Nitsch
committed suicide
good
(check out the classical of the Nazis!)
you should go next
you should go next
Okay, lemme finish watching this Leni Riefenstahl film and reading Heidegger's Being and Time first. Nah, I don't care about the political leanings of artists and thinkers, just figured a little historical context might motivate the anon to check it out -- plus they had the entitled, hostile attitude of a wignat, so I thought it'd be just the ticket. Don't tell them I said that though.
they had the entitled, hostile attitude of a wignat
Not everyone who is less than nice to you is a nazi
Hey, I said you weren't allowed to read that!
His lifelong friend and colleague Oskar Adler, who fled the Nazis in 1938, wrote afterwards that Schmidt was never a Nazi and never antisemitic but was extremely naive about politics. Hans Keller gave a similar endorsement. Regarding Schmidt's political naivety, Michael Steinberg, in his book The Symphony, tells of Schmidt's recommending Variations on a Hebrew Theme by his student Israel Brandmann to a musical group associated with the proto-Nazi German National Party. Most of Schmidt's principal musical friends were Jews, and they benefited from his generosity.
cultural marxist propaganda or whatever
Woke cancel culture and whatnot
feels like a Mass in B minor night
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Robert Lawson Shaw (30 April 1916 – 25 January 1999) was an American conductor most famous for his work with his namesake Chorale, with the Cleveland Orchestra and Chorus, and the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra and Chorus.[1] He was known for drawing public attention to choral music through his wide-ranging influence and mentoring of younger conductors, the high standard of his recordings, his support for racial integration in his choruses, and his support for modern music, winning many awards throughout his career.
HOLD THE FORT
his support for racial integration in his choruses
WHAT IS THIS GARBAGE?
It means letting niggers and chinks sing; are you dense or what
cherrypicked wikipedia snippet nobody cares about?
hmmm
the fuck do you want
let's end the day with Tchaikovsky's The Sleeping Beauty
first few movements to get you hooked
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Tchaikovsky suffered from an extreme example of musical post-partum depression. There isn't a single piece he wrote that he didn't hate as soon as he finished it. Except this one. Sleeping Beauty is uniformly regarded as the greatest full-length, classical ballet in the history of the universe. Tchaikovsky lavished all of the love and attention of which he was capable, and produced an amazing score in which the demands of the dance are perfectly integrated within a symphony musical structure. There's every reason to listen to the complete work, even if it is quite long, because there really isn't a dull moment. Naxos's series of complete Tchaikovsky ballets is extremely fine--a great deal at budget price. --David Hurwitz
good night
Swan Lake is better; sorry Hurwitz
Schubert sounds brighter to me, I mean they are as different as two contemporaries of each other could be at the time but Schubert sounds especially distinctive. Meanwhile Schumann just sounds like Beethoven but even more mentally unhinged.
I can see the argument. Swan Lake might have higher highs but The Sleeping Beauty has consistency; it's a quality composition from start-to-finish, not a dull, uninteresting moment.
I can't conceive of them as contemporaries, at least not in the sense that Schumann and Mendelssohn were contemporaries. Even if Schubert hadn't died so young he'd still have something of a 20 year headstart. It's kind of like calling Brahms a contemporary of Schumann himself. Feels like a bit of a stretch
I agree, especially since I count Schumann has a full romantic and Schubert as that murky classical-romantic.
[It] has consistency; it's a quality composition from start-to-finish, not a dull, uninteresting moment.
-Me, talking about Swan Lake
whatever, they are completely different and you're deaf if you cannot hear them apart is the point
it repeats like a third of the material and is a complete mishmash of crap.
:p
I respect it.
Harsh but on the right track. All I know is, I space-out at the usual moments during Swan Lake, whereas with The Sleeping Beauty, I'm enthralled all the way through, and even when I do space-out (it's two and a half hours, after all), no matter when I come to, it's at a really good part.
Where the fuck did you get the idea that I was stating otherwise
I'm just pointing out you're being pedantic and obnoxious
You're a complete mishmash of crap, David
You make no sense and need to learn to manage your emotions better
why are you backpedaling so hard over this? I said they sounded as different as two [early romantic] composers could and you were all like "ACKCHUALLY we need a fact check over here". Just take the L and move on with your life.
Pretty mid trolling, not gonna lie
If only you knew how serious I am about this. its really quite unreasonable actually.
Well go to therapy or something. Your reactions have been nothing but pathologica, if they have indeed been honest (which I still find hard to believe)
Franz Schrecker
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