Rap isn't music

rap isn't music

explain why its not music.

*silence*

Why is it always like that? I know its a forced reddit memd but why can't anybody ever give even a basic argument. They repost the Jerry Garcia thing but even that video is pretty pro rap as music its just not rock music.

it's just trolls (welcome to Anon Babble), no one actually believes rap isn't music

its not music at all

rappers dont sing and cant play an instrument, therefore its not music

Rap took the role of the party MC and forced it into the character-driven art mould, which it was frankly inadequate for. The entire format of rap is an evil Jewish trap that encourages the worst aspects of the individual and only tasks the lyricist with cultivating them while their handlers keep a leash on them and handle all other aspects of the process. A studio rap album is not the culmination of a cooperative process creatively and breeds insincerity and resentment like fruit flies on a rotten banana.

But why? It has drums and trumpets and a bpm and vocally its no different than what a lot metal bands do

expecting incels to have reasoning behind their logic

they're more emotional than women

it's music I suppose, just not good music.

but it has music in it

it has non music in it
not music

why is it always like this

see

spbp

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it's just a kneejerk response from racists who should be killed.
It's not worth further engaging with.

You should try explaining to us how rap is poetry one of these days, that’s the part I don’t usually get.

its not reddit its just 4chud racism

Is poetry not rhythmic language used to express emotion in a clever or provocative way? What would make it not poetry?

generally speaking it's borrowing someone else's music, and talking over it rhythmically. like borrowing someone's wall and pray painting a spunking cock on it with a political or culturally relevant slogan on it.

it's audio graffiti.

Define music.

Organized sound

hibba jibba dooba daba smoka doobie stick it in da bootie

pure pottery

I only listen to rap for the producers

Someone make sure to save this for future reference

Who’s your favorite poet?

I remember once a fucking Queen fanboy saying that Rap isn't music because "if I can do it myself with nothing but my voice then is not music"
Who knows how those faggots think

Is a jew obsessed yt

lil hood nigga(er). or maybe lil bussy (from facetats gloryhole crew (I'm into the west coast scene i yknowaahmeenigga)

I've said this many, many times. Music involves melody. You can hum a melody. You cannot hum rap. Playing the same beat over and over again for three minutes with someone speaking rhythmically but without a melody is not music.
That said, I do enjoy a few rap tracks.
See above.
I said this here last week. Stop copies me.

I believe there’s a threshold of intelligence required for something to be considered music. Are birds chirping creating music? No, it’s literally just creatures with no brains making the only noise they know how. That’s what rap is. Bird brained retards making noise that may incidentally be musical.

Niggers aren't human

I find it strange considering the faggots here are mostly faggot leftists

Playing the same beat over and over again for three minutes with someone speaking rhythmically but without a melody is not music.

So essentially you're saying drums / percussion aren't music?
If I made an album of tribal drums or percussion solos would that not be music?

Nta, but yes, I've been arguing that a tribe playing drums in the jungle is not really making music.
Their drums are not meant for aesthetic enjoyment, but for performing a ritual. It's supposed to be like an ominous, scary introduction to the presence of a guiding spirit.
Those guys weren't competing against each other for who has the best drum fills and coolest syncopated rhythms. The sound in itself was not supposed to be enjoyed, but to put you in a trance, to conjure up the forces of chaos and fate

It's not music because hip-hop culture rejects cover versions (a few cover versions exist but they're all considered bad). This proves that the value is primarily in celebrity worship, not the composition itself.

Well said.

Some birds are very good at chirping. This species inspired a popular Vaughan Williams composition:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eurasian_Skylark_(Alauda_arvensis)_(W1CDR0001421_BD2).ogg
I think the Vaughan Williams composition is better but the bird chirping is still music. Humpback whale singing is music too.

There are people who enjoy any kind of noise as if it's music.
That includes them listening to tribal drums and thinking that's music. But they don't understand the context and the reason why those drums are played, which was not originally to be some kind of replayable piece for personal enjoyment.

Kinda similar to how some snobs "enjoyed" the noise of industrial plants back in the early 20th century, calling that avantgarde music. And those who wrote atonal music were trying to immitate industry.

But they were essentially posers. They were enjoying environmental noise as a perversion, getting an aesthetic thrill out of something that wasn't conceived to convey a feeling.

I am that Anon and that brings up an interesting quandary: gamelan. Is gamelan music? And when does something stop being beat/rhythm and start being melody? There are percussion instruments that can vary pitch. Is playing then beat or melody?

you cannot hum rap

voca.ro/1mMnNWmf8asm

rap is jazz scatting?

I would say that something is music if it's conceived to play a series of sounds that are meant to pass on a feeling.

Gamelan might be both or something in between - performing a ceremony but also seeking to instill a feeling that makes someone immerse in the spirit of that ceremony.

It's important to note that we shouldn't simply take Wikipedia or Western books as reliable sources for defining what other cultures' practices mean _to them_. To us it might sound like music, but maybe to them it was supposed to be something that doesn't have an equivalent in our culture. So we translate that as both 'music' and 'ceremony'. But for them maybe those are not separate things.

And the way music was conceived in our culture to be recorded, written, replicable, and enjoyed to reflect a mood, a feeling, might not be what we find in other cultures.

>Is a jew obsessed yt

Remember all the time when they tried to position it as the most masculine music while the entire time it was gayer than gay porn

hmm hmmm hmmm hmmmmmmmmm.
That's me humming "I told you so."
You're just mouthing a beat.
And because I just realised most of you are wypipo and therefore likely have no idea what gamelan is, here you are: youtube.com/watch?v=sZZTfu4jWcI
I chose this video specifically because it's an instrumental and doesn't have peranakan/Chinese influence so lacks an erhu. This is the traditional form of gamelan.

you replied to the wrong post, tourist.

Upvoted, pedantic autist

Gamelan is not just music, in the sense music is understood in our Greco-Roman culture. As an art form that can be separated from other cultural practices.

Gamelan is many things in one: it's an intricate social mechanism, in which an ensemble participates, a religious ritual, a ceremony, accompaniment for traditional dances and festivals, theatrical performance.

Calling it music is very reductionist, it reflects our Euro/Western way of perceiving feelings-expressing sounds as "music". But for them it reflects the order of society, the place humans play in the cosmic order through the mechanism they are performing in gamelan, using instruments. It's way beyond just 'music'. It's something else we can't fully understand without living in that culture.

MASSIVE pseud faggot

it lacks harmony and melody