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any go to pages besides audioz? seems a lot of stuff gets insta deleted

private trackers or rutracker

Will you ever pirate that one last VST that finally does what you need to start trying to make music?

ain't gonna dabble with torrents in 2025

voca.ro/1dsJxmZCz1bM

I dunno, this sounds good to me.

This reminds me, i never managed to download anything off audioz, i just dont get the site, i get some weird links with some passwords and i never actually managed to get a file to download
What am i missing here

Zoomer can't navigate a website that isn't YouTube

Many such cases.

A brain

Not a zoomer, though almost
Ill try it again, honestly i didnt put in that much effort cause i find most of the stuff that i want on ru anyway

how do i make these more interesting? i'll have to rerecord everything when i get more mics for my drums
vocaroo.com/16brVchqNS0R
vocaroo.com/1bjwl7fNzoWa
vocaroo.com/1lTxWvXOGvuZ
vocaroo.com/1hQAdPaQpV40

also, any tips on structuring songs? i feel like it's much easier to make a full track with ableton's session view, but it always ends up sounding unnatural. i always prefer playing with other people and record everything at once for that reason.

why is it so disliked though? and how does it compare to keystep/beatstep? arturia makes useful stuff, but i absolutely hate their hardware

almost

Gen Alpha?
I thought AudioZ worked fine on an iPad

why is it so disliked though?

Who would dislike this thing? Internet shills? It's cheap, build quality is rock solid, and it has a shitload of features which are laid out logically. You can do all kinds of fancy stuff with it too but it's not so fancy that it's hard to use. Sequencer is better than Teenage Engineering's rigs, easier to use, more features. It's practically 80% of the way to being a Cirklon for 1/10th the price. Missing the massive amount of MIDI ports sadly but it does come WITH plenty of CV/GATE/MOD unlike the Cirklon. It has some fancy features for more generative music but not as fancy as Cirklon. But for the price it's hard to bitch about that.

Also like my Drumlogue for whatever reason it's black with dark grey labels. LOL

and how does it compare to keystep/beatstep? arturia makes useful stuff, but i absolutely hate their hardware

I don't know I hate those shits but I only tried them out at the Guitar Center and I obviously knew more about how to work a MIDI sequencer than the dude who was there (he actually hung out and watched me fiddle with it so he could fiddle with it better it was cute). I use an MPC by choice, has everything I need and want for the most part, sometimes I use the RS-7000 or my QY-100 or the QY-700 but the Yamaha sequencers have issues which they never cured, like not being able to go into and out of overdub mode while playing a sequence. I got those cheap a long ass time ago before I started with the MPC. Only in the RS-7000 did they cure that and not with actual 'live' recording, just the step sequencer. Anyway I wired up the SQ-64 and am going to jam for a couple days with it, shove the other stuff to the side for a minute and just play with it and some synths I have that'll do CV/GATE. I have the Behringer 2600 clone and the Korg Volca Modular. I don't think I have a drum machine that responds to those triggers but I will use MIDI for that.

It appears it will take MTC/MMC from the MPC so I can run the SQ-64 at the same time too and control the playhead from the MPC which is nice.

Who would dislike this thing?

non gearfags most likely

It's cheaper than Ableton Live.

Will you ever pirate that one last VST that finally does what you need to start trying to make music?

As someone who pirated literally every fucking thing that exists for a decade, I can say with certainty that I never needed any of it except Ableton, Serum, the native instruments suite, the fabfilter suite, melodyne, and some sample packs and serum packs. And now I've outgrown the sample packs and serum presets because i know how to design my sounds myself, which eliminates the guesswork in sound selection. All of the actual software i mentioned I now actually own. All the other DAWs rewired, infinity synths, and endless effects just made my music worse and less coherent because i wasn't really learning how any of it works. Sound design and mixing skills can't be replaced by more warez, and the main difference between different wavetable synths is just workflow, so there's no need to have them all.

I recently pirated UVI Falcon and its sample libraries because it's supposedly the best for retro synth music, and found that not only is it confusing and time consuming because every library has a different interface, but all of the presets are trash, and I can easily make retro sounds that fit the music better with ableton stock plug-ins and Serum 2. So I just uninstalled it all. Although if someone can get better sounds faster using UVI because they are familiar with all those retro synth interfaces, then that is what they should use.

Also far less useful

DAWless larpers have every justification you can think of. The only thing they don't have is a song that people have heard, or even a good song they've kept private. It is amazing to me that somebody can make electronic music while being completely oblivious to the fact that electronic music succeeded at the expense of live instrument music because nobody gives a shit about the process, only the end product. The whole reason they are inspired to do this kind of music at all is because of people who used DAWs and succeeded only because nobody cares about the process. And now their whole genre is to care way more about the process than the end product. They end up making dull music that appeals to nobody: too tedious for electronic music listeners who just want to hear something awesome and exciting, too sequenced and unexpressive for live music listeners who want to hear an instrument played. In the same way that most jazz music is done in a manner tailored to appeal mainly to other jazz musicians, DAWless jammers exist EXCLUSIVELY to show off their rigs to other DAWless jammers.

But dude you don't understand! Ableton is shit for MIDI because it doesn't have one niche feature that nobody uses, so you need a whole room of equipment that collectively doesn't have a fraction of the features GarageBand has!

I never paid a dime for ableton

why are you malding? why do you care so much about this shit

be retarded

"haha what a retard"

"why do you care so much dude you're obsessed haha leave me alone please"

I stole all my gear. Now what?

I kneel

it doesn't have one niche feature that nobody uses

MIDI event list is hardly niche, it's basically been a component of every MIDI sequencer going back to the very beginning of MIDI. If your sequencer doesn't have it you're crippled, what do you do try to grab notes with your mouse and drag and drop them and drag the start and finish handles and etc? That's so much more tedious than literally flying through a list of MIDI events and adjusting the precise value you need. Most MIDI event list editors will sound each note as you scroll so it's easy to find what you want too.

SYSEX isn't supported by Ableton either, that sucks just as hard as no event list editor.

do you have brain damage

i go on an anti-ableton tirade once a month to bait ableton users and if you point out how stupid my behavior is it means your hair is shit

Kek

the fuck are you talking about even? i use ableton daily. get a life loser

Zero. Songs.

Ok now list all the features Ableton has that your gear doesn't.

going back to the very beginning of MIDI

Have you considered that maybe it's not in modern daws because it's an antiquated feature that only you care about because you're forehead-deep into the antiquated workflow you self-imposed by being a hardwarefag?

Anyway, this is like the fifth time we have this exact same discussion.
You come in the thread and start seething about Ableton out of nowhere because it doesn't have this one feature that's BARELY a QoL advantage, and spend hours trying to convince everybody that your preferences are the objective truth and anyone who doesn't share them is a retard.
You're a deranged retard.
This will be my last post to you, but please don't let this stop you from seething about a program you don't even use lmao.

Only a cargo cultist hardwarefag could find a way to complain that ableton's main issue is that it's not antiquated enough. Meanwhile the rest of us have legitimate concerns that there are so many workflow and support issues that could be improved, but they keep forgoing all of it just to add more devices that are getting redundant. We have enough synths. Let's get CLAP support and the ability to freeze groups now.

Zero. Songs.

What are you talking about?

Ok now list all the features Ableton has that your gear doesn't.

Nothing. I have plenty of MIDI stuff I've accumulated over the years. Ableton doesn't do a tiny fraction of it.

maybe it's not in modern daws

It is - not just Ableton lol. Almost all DAWs support SYSEX and a MIDI event list / editor view and have since before WHAM broke up lol.

Ableton is great and I like the music some people make with it. Luke Vibert can make a whole album with it and it's great every time. But I don't like it myself, I don't care for it.

ableton's main issue is that it's not antiquated enough

All the other DAWs let you edit the MIDI event list and almost all support SYSEX with built in SYSEX utilities. It's not antiquated any more than MIDI itself is. Which it isn't at all.

True.

If you're just going to be an Ableton brand musician using only Ableton it's probably different than if you already have some stuff and want to use Ableton with it effectively.

It doesn't appear to be meant for that, despite what is claimed. It's for using by itself with some VSTs maybe...

I don't care for it.

We have the archives, we know you've been seething about Ableton for years, often making threads specifically to talk about how much you hate it kek
Least mentally ill hardwarefag

all the other DAWs support an antiquated feature

And? How do the 27 devices on your wall handle polyphonic expression? How do I get per-note cutoff and pitch automation with your MPC?

jesus christ what happened to this place. only thing keeping these threads alive are two retards fighting about pointless bullshit

FL Studio, Reason, and Bitwig have worse SysEx support than Ableton and also lack a MIDI event list editor.
Why single Ableton out?

How do the 27 devices on your wall handle polyphonic expression?

Most don't, that's pretty new with MPE/MIDI 2.0 and such. There are ways to send CC information to control parameters you'd control with MPE or MIDI 2.0 type jazz though and record this into the sequencer. And I think my old TX81z can actually do it too with the old MIDI type 3 it was capable of, where copy of a voice was on its own channel. I mean maybe you'd have to really monkey with shit.

I find it hard to believe 27 simultaneous instruments really need polyphonic expression all at once though.

Never used 'em.

I mean maybe you'd have to really monkey with shit.

Glad we got that sorted out. Ableton's MIDI note entry is slightly more tedious for people who can't play keys, and outdated tech is extraordinary more tedious for absolutely everything else which is simple, intuitive, and fast in ableton

Even if you want to just adjust something after the fact, but don't want to quantize or whatever, it's useless. I just don't like it. I don't resent it when people use it but it literally gets SHILLED here. And Serum.

but it literally gets SHILLED here

Meds

Indians, not Meds. You can tell by the English.

Now are you finally going to stop doing this ?

Nah that wasn't me. Numerous people going back to the 2000's have made these same complaints all the time.

I'll bring it up when I see Ableton or Serum getting shilled. Those seem to have the most persistent of all shills.

Even if you want to just adjust something after the fact, but don't want to quantize or whatever, it's useless

Lmao no. Its quite simple if you're not a dumbass with no ear experience

record part

dont want to quantize the groove out

LISTEN TO IT

let's see...I was a little late on that note, so I'll drag that one, a little early on that chord, so I'll drag it, that note should have had a grace note, so ill just click that in, and that arp was a little loud so I'll just drag the velocity some...and done

If you can actually play, which you should be able to do, it's nothing at all to just listen for minor errors and edit them away in one click and drag each. There is never a situation where it makes more sense to replace an entire suite of modern technology with an outdated technology simply to address one extremely niche and minor issue. I say this as a hardware owner. My hardware (Push 2, Maschine 3, Prophet REV 2) is only there to enhance and speed up my DAW workflow

You're extremely recognizable with your writing style, your opinions/arguments, and the pictures of hardware gear you use.

Its quite simple if you're not a dumbass with no ear experience

Sure, you sound like a top ghost producer who also has a Youtube channel.

edit them away in one click and drag each

It's fiddly and you end up panning and zooming or everything is very tiny, quicker to use the MIDI edit list.

Push and Maschine both seem to lack a MIDI event list too don't they?

So is the Ableton and Serum shill.

I'll bring it up when I see Ableton or Serum getting shilled

Nobody is shilling anything. I am a legal owner of both Ableton and Serum, and I'm not telling anyone else to buy them. Pirate them and use that forever if you want. My only point is that Serum 2 is literally the perfect synth, and can competently replace all others. And Ableton, while lacking a lot of things I would very much like to have in terms of workflow and CPU efficiency, is still by far the most capable DAW as well as the one with the most resources available for deep diving, so it's obviously best for beginners while also not being so lacking that it gives the experienced user a need to move to another DAW. Although that may change. If Ableton doesn't put out a roadmap to CLAP integration soon, which they probably won't unless everyone else does, I'll consider switching to bitwig, because CLAP is ridiculously lighter. But I'll even switch to a total IP violation knockoff that is the exact same program reconstructed but with less spaghetti code and CLAP integration if that's what comes first. CLAP is a huge deal and the ableton devs are salty about who made it

So is the Ableton and Serum shill

Thank you for admitting that you're as deranged as you seem to be, and that you just tried to lie to pretend you're not tge only one who's obsessed with the most popular music production programs being talked about on a music production forum.
True mental illness.

quicker to use the MIDI edit list.

And substantially slower or impossible to do everything else that is fast and intuitive in Ableton. At least when you're a gearfag. I dont know about other DAWs because the only one I have experience with is Bitwig, which I gave up on because it was confusing to my Ableton habits. Maybe other DAWs are better overall, I have no idea. But I do know the worst DAW from 2003 is still way more efficient and cost effective than mounting dozens of 80s tech to your wall and walking around the room to make a song

to make a song

Luckily he doesn't have to worry about that