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Barenboim? More like building a career off of the coattails of others, leeching off of your wife's talent and abandoning her when she gets multiple sclerosis so that you can fuck off to "teach" hack masterclasses on how to be a genius performer like you all the way safe in the knowledge that no one can criticise you because you'll pull both the "third world" AND the "jew" immunity cards
I mean more like dumdum or whatever
let's continue on with choral music conducted by Muti with his Mozart Requiem
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I was gonna go with Bohm/Vienna, been meaning to listen to that one for a longtime, but Muti's popped up in my search results too and, well, I couldn't resist. I'll save Bohm's for the next time.
Eurovision
Not classical
Awful edition. Even Barrengoyim would've been better
Listen to Rozhdestvensky's
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You're right, let's not use this one.
I'm sure there are some reconstructions of ancient Greek music
>>/wpop/
Pietsch's musical style combines elements of opera and pop. As a "soprano" type of countertenor with a range reaching into high soprano heights, he explores both genres through an intense and expressive vocal and interpretative approach
JJ is a classical gay musician
did you really have to make two posts for that old-ass, unidiomatic recording?
Start 'em out with Karajan.
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What's the earliest music on record? Hildegard Von Bingen? Gregorian chant? Does that even count as western "classical"?
Does that count as part of the european academic canon, though? I know that not everything needs to belong to a "school" or a "period", but predating both seems to be contrary to the very idea of "western classical tradition"
old-ass, unidiomatic recording
I genuinely feel bad for you
Pietsch's musical style combines elements of opera and pop
But not as bad as I feel for OP. Get well soon.
Cameron Carpenter edition instead?
Do pederasts count as "gay" or is that just a completely different mental illness?
If you mean the earliest recorded music of the Western style that would become or contribute towards the development of Western classical, then yes, it's Gregorian chant and beyond that, medieval polyphony. If you mean the earliest music with a self-conscious understanding of itself as classical music, then that's probably not until the eighteenth century.
In seriousness, when making recommendations to someone new to a piece, those types of recordings should never be suggested, no matter how good they are, because you wanna go with something that has the best chance of luring them in + gives them a good idea of what the work is all about, aka something with good audio quality and somewhat idiomatic. Recommending something like that is for when someone is asking specifically for your favorite and/or shows familiarity with the piece, ya dig? Like I would never recommend Celibidache to someone new to Bruckner, no matter how much I love his performances of Bruckner's music. Just my feelings on the matter.
Who cares. The earliest composer worth listening to is Machaut anyway
You guys hate him because he’s saving classical music and you don’t, jealousy is a bitch
I meant the former, yeah. I shouldn't be surprised, really. What comes after Von Bingen, would you say? Notre-Dame school? Pérotin?
I do. That's why I asked.
The Israeli candidate should have won
ok gay coomer
Shalom
If you're genuinely interested, read a book. Taruskin, for instance.
He’s based as fuck
He should display his pride flag in an Arab country.
luring them in
If you need to be coerced to like good things then you don't deserve to like good things. Start with the best recordings. Float or sink. Nobody's loss if they can't handle it.
The fool doesn’t realize Hamas would toss him off a rooftop
I just wanted to know what the earliest (non-fragmentary) examples of academic western canon on record (as in, recorded in a studio, not merely in historical record) are, and I got my answer.
Why are you saying “Shalom” are you Jewish?
I suppose I reject the premise that there are no recordings with quality audio which rank among the best, or at least worthwhile enough to suggest.
ok gay coomer
yes, I am jewish
So you are Jewish?
Ich bin auch ein Jude
yes, I, the poster of am jewish
cool it with the antisemitism guys and listen to Barenboim
whoops, forgot
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very good!
Fuck off and die
Some of his conducting I can stomach, but his piano playing? Nope
Someone recommended this Bach WTC performed by Ramin Bahrami to me a while ago and I said I'd listen to it, so here we go!
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Off to a good start already, lots of color.
A pupil of Alexis Weissenberg, Andras Schiff, Robert Levin and Rosalyn Tureck
He looks like the 'creepy chud'-coded character in a period drama for semi-literate middle class women.
Very old school.
Thank you Jewish sister
Austrian wants to drive Jews out of Europe
Guys I’m gettIng scared now
Today I am reminded once more that Ballade No.4 is indeed an uncontested GOAT solo piano piece along with Beethoven 29-32 sonatas.
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Can't stomach one of the GOATs
Antisemetism is a mental illness
Yup, it's nice. One review does end with
Bahrami is great fun to listen to with all his impressive wizardry, but it's more about Bahrami than Bach.
But again, I don't have a problem with that. What I don't like are recordings where the most frequently praised trait is its "clarity," ugh. Give me color, character, and expression any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
It's up there. It's like the Brahms 4 of solo piano pieces.
Brahms 4 of solo piano pieces.
Good point.
That's what I suspect the sisterposter looks like
Does anyone here actually like Bernstein's Vienna Brahms and/or his later NY Tchaikovsky recordings with DG? I like slow tempi as much as the next guy and then some, but man, these push pass the realm of goods sense into perversity and grotesque indulgence.
samples if you don't know what's what
Tchaikovsky 5
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Brahms 3
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Like I love Giulini's slow tempo Brahms and Celibidache's is good, but these ones... man. I guess the question is, worth trying to acclimate myself to them, trying to find the value their vision, or discard them as to not waste any time on them?
Just between you and me, I'm pretty sure the sisterposter is Chinese, but I could be wrong. Anyway, have some respect for the dead.
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For me, it's Koroliov
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or Nosrati
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Perfection.
It was Glen Gould playing the Allemande of the first partita of Bach
I could see in the thumbnail :p which is why I replied with different recordings of the same piece! But thank you, I appreciate you making sure.
I have a habit of getting overly excited when I discover a new recording I like, and can't properly rank or accurately measure its quality until repeat listens, but man, this is really hitting the spot
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Tintner is all the Bruckner you need
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
His 3rd, 4th, and 6th are excellent, among the best. The rest? Either dreadful (the 5th) or the wrong version (the 8th).
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start of Barber: Violin Concerto, Op. 14
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start of Barber: Souvenirs, Op. 28
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start of Barber: Piano Concerto, Op. 38
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some Samuel Barber seemed appropriate for this clear and sunny American day.
barenboim has the best Bruckner 8
Which one?
Ok David
You're right about the 8th, but his 5th is one of the best I've ever listened to. What, you're not going to recommend Rozhdestvensky, are you
kek no, my favorite 5ths are Sinopoli and Karajan followed closely by Maazel. I listened to Tintner's 5th the other day and thought it was very dry, but on your recommendation I will give it another listen tomorrow or next.
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Karajan is also one of the best 5s I've listened to, but I prefer Tintner. I honestly think it's so colourful and warm; can't imagine why someone would find it dry. As far as 8ths go, I prefer Wand (or Jochum)
I prefer Wand
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le epic pepe reakshion xD
Kill yourself
you listen to Sinopoli's and I'll listen to Tintner's and we'll rendezvous back here at 0200 hours in two days, deal?
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I'll try
I just wanted to say "rendezvous at 0200 hours," so if not, no problem, I'm gonna revisit the Tintner either way.
wrong version (the 8th).
wat
His recording uses the original version of the 8th. If you like that one, then all the power to ya.
all the original versions are the best versions
In 1987 [Georg Tintner] moved to Canada, where he became director of Symphony Nova Scotia. In 1998, he was made a Member of the Order of Canada.[3] On 2 October 1999, after a six-year struggle with cancer, he jumped to his death from the balcony of his 11th-storey Halifax apartment.[4]
o_o
how Deleuzian of him
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wtf I love Tintner's Bruckner now
base(d)-jumping amirite
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start of Beethoven: String Quartet, Op. 59 No. 1 in F Major "Rasumovsky"
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start of Beethoven: String Quartet, Op. 59 No. 2 in E Minor "Rasumovsky"
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start of Beethoven: String Quartet, Op. 59 No. 3 in C Major "Rasumovsky"
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start of Beethoven: String Quartet, Op. 74 in E-Flat Major "Harp"
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start of Beethoven: String Quartet, Op. 95 in F Minor "Serioso"
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base(d)-jumping amirite
:p
I actually agree. All his revisions were the result of sycophants trying to "compose" vicariously through him, or edgy critics who didn't know what the fuck they were saying. My boy Bruckner got fucked left and right by friend and foe alike.