Hugo Wolf is the most underrated composer in the world edition
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whats the german equivalent of bellman?
Wagner.
Kavakos!
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why does this official cover on Amazon have residue from lines of coke it? come on
Copemaninoff is for easy-listening poptimists and people who make a living out of playing piano in overpriced, underrepertoired concerts
New thread, that beef is over, shake hands.
Kill yourself
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Just started this set from the beginning and I gotta say, it's hitting the spot. Last time I tried it I didn't care for it much. Tastes and moods change.
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Hugo Wolf is the most underrated composer in the world
You mean the composer who is regularly and consistently called the greatest writer of songs after Schubert? THAT Hugo Wolf? Underrated?
Isn't the line usually 'after Schumann'? Do you think Wolfs a superior song writer to Schumann?
Overlooked Brahms coming thru
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I wish Brahms continued to write for solo piano instead of writing orchestral and choral slop. Is there anyone else who continued the Hammerklavier influenced style of dense piano writing besides Medtner?
sn't the line usually 'after Schumann'?
.....No? Schubert wrote +500 songs and is very much considered the best at that particular craft
Do you think Wolfs a superior song writer to Schumann?
.......Yes???
Schubert wrote +500 songs and is very much considered the best at that particular craft
That's why people say Schumann is the greatest song composer after Schubert.
.......Yes???
Interesting, I wasn't aware that some people rated Schumann's songs so low.
Scriabin
Liszt
Strauss
That's why people say Schumann is the greatest song composer after Schubert.
If that's what you meant you need to check your posts before hitting submit. Personally I've never heard Schumann being called the greatest writer of lieder after Schubert. In fact I've never heard his lieder being particularly lauded. It's always Schubert, Wolf, Mahler, Reger, and Eisler
Statement: 'Wolf is the greatest song writer after Schubert'. Response: 'Don't you think Wolf is the greatest songwriter after Schumann, because Wolf is not greater than Schumann?' Are you an ESL by any chance? And maybe it's just a modern dislike for the Biedermeier, but in the 19th century Schumann's were often singled out as his greatest achievement, or at least his most influential. Definitely a major composer of the genre, much more so than Mahler, Reger or Eisler.
Scriabin is dense, but he is Chopin and French impressionist influenced with an ethereal sound, he lacks the power and strength in German music. Especially after the 5th he really loses a lot of his harder edge in favor of more and more lightweight fluttering trills.
Awful slop, even Brahms sonatas at 20 years old are better.
what are Strauss' essential works?
Awful slop
why?
he thinks liszt is just empty virtuosity
Thank you for exposing your lack of musical education.
depends, do you like opera? if not, then Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Ein Heldenleben, Alpine Symphony, Don Quixote, then his tone poems like Don Juan, Till Eulenspiegel, Death and Transfiguration, and Metamorphosen. Oh and his Four Last Songs
Oh and his Horn Concertos are pretty great too
do you like opera
yes, i like Wagner's especially.
Ah. Then you go down the hall, make a left, and, y'know, ask someone else who likes opera :p
I don't know what ESL means.
the greatest writer of songs after Schubert
Isn't the line usually 'after Schumann'?
That would mean the line "usually" goes "Wolf is the greatest writer of songs after Schumann". Im sorry you have no disregard for lexical continuity.
Response: 'Don't you think Wolf is the greatest songwriter after Schumann, because Wolf is not greater than Schumann?'
This does not follow from the previous two posts. Again sorry you don't care for linear logic.
much more so than Mahler, Reger or Eisler.
Respectable opinion, but the kind of people who bring him up when discussing lieder as an "obvious pick" are probably also going to bring up Brahms, which is nowhere near an immediate candidate for a shortlist of greatest lied writers. Point being:
It's always Schubert, Wolf, Mahler, Reger, and Eisler
his tone poems/ballet and not a thing else
Liszt is the purest definition of a romanticlown, just endless drivel start to finish based on overdramatic shock tactics. We follow the laws and ideals of real art music, from the Renaissance to Classical, the Romantics are mostly disgraces besides a few exceptions such as Medtner or Reger.
Why would I ever listen to Liszt over a real master like Handel?
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I don't fucking know you, faggot. Kill yourself.
Medieval >>>>
I don't fucking know you,
You wouldn't know anyone on the official /classical/ council because you weren't invited, all romanticlown lovers have been blacklisted (we all approved that).
Liszt was a truly great composer. My only complaint is that he should have focused less on performing/improvising and making virtuosic piano transcriptions.
/classical/
you mean outer /hurwitz/.
Or just transcriptions in general. That's almost 3/4ths of his entire output
Get fucked, you absolute clown
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Fucking Notker the Stammerer, can't get enough, absolute GOAT
best pre-Medieval composers?
best recording of his theme and variations upon an aboriginal stick clapping session?
I don't know what ESL means.
English Second Language.
That would mean the line "usually" goes "Wolf is the greatest writer of songs after Schumann".
Yes, implying that he's not greater than Schumann. What other reason would I have for pointing out the difference? It certainly doesn't mean that Schumann is superior to Schubert, like you originally thought.
the kind of people who bring him up when discussing lieder as an "obvious pick" are probably also going to bring up Brahms
I think Brahms is quite a fair bit behind Schumann in terms of lieder popularity, even among big Brahms fans. But Brahms is still up there with Reger. I see way more attention given to Brahms' lieder over Reger's lieder. Strauss' lieder are also really more famous than Reger's.
A good Strauss curriculum might look like: Ein Heldenleben for the tone poems, because it quotes the others ad naseum; Salome for the early operas (picking this over Elektra because the dance is good); Ariadne auf Naxos for the late operas (or maybe Capriccio, because the sextet scene gives a picture of Strauss’s chamber writing, but Ariadne is a classic Straussian attempt at comedy); the oboe concerto for the concertos; plus the Four Last Songs. Personal favorite is the Le bourgeois gentilhomme suite.
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Liszt's only use was doing some minor interesting notes on harmony that influenced Fagner and Impressionists alike. His actual music is sloppery of the usual romantic quality.
Midwitz is a romanticuck and hates Baroque music and European architecture. It also just so happens that he is diabetic, overweight, bald, jewish, homosexual, and looks like a mutant freak in general. Curious!
I don't understand people who complain about Liszt's transcriptions. If you take them away, he still has a very large oeuvre that would be entirely acceptable amount as a composer's only works. And what, are you complaining about the service Liszt did for the piano by transcribing those pieces? Bizarre complaint.
What other reason would I have for pointing out the difference?
Making a mistake? It happens. Nothing demeaning in that. Doubling down on it, however...
Hey bud, no one in this general hypes Liszt more than I do. My complaint is that he could've written more stuff with all that time and effort.
Confirmed only nazis and bigoted manlets hate Liszt
Hurwitz spent his life sifting through thousands of CDs so that we don't have to. In this house Hurwitz is a hero end of story.
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My whole point was that Wolf was not necessarily greater than Schumann and that Schumann was one of the truly greater lieder composers. Of course it wasn't a mistake.
Confirmed only nazis and bigoted manlets hate Liszt
come on don't make me want to hate Liszt
Donizetti
now THIS is a trash composer
best Modern composers? other than the genius Bartok of course.
Your point was understood but poorly expressed on that reply, that's all
man, will I ever find a Ravel complete piano works set I'm fully satisfied with? Gonna try this one, anyone familiar?
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There's an absurd six hours and forty minutes (four hundred minutes!) of music on this set because it also includes not just the solo piano music, but all music which includes the piano at all, from the concertos to songs to chamber pieces. Anyway, here goes nothing, hope this is the one.
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HIPtards are wont to believe medieval music sounded like the first recording, when it definitely sounded more like the second (i.e., it sounded like church music, not like “epic sea shanties”)
How was it poorly expressed?
Hovhaness.
best Roman-era composers?
A RYMsister spends their lives listening to every piece of popslop released and yet never manage to realize its all shit. Midwitz cannot understand European art music in the Baroque style because he is a desert dwelling bagel baker mutant, and no amount of sifting through random cd's will ever fix his European hating mental illness.
sir, you're a Mexican.
which composer would have been the most likely to be a Anon Babble shitposter if they were born in modern times?
Nero
Thank you eceleb lover.
Wagner and Scriabin.
actually i'm Ethiopian but my parents moved to europe when i was 14, so i'm more European than you.
Based Liszt fan.
Mozart would be a troll, Beethoven a seething incel, Wagner a schizoposter, Tchaikovsky would get trolled so hard he'd an hero IRL fr fr, and Bach would put signatures in his posts
-J.S.
Wagner
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Scriabin
Anon Babble
actually i only listen to the finest Baroque composers such as Handel.
Josef Hauer.
Correct, I am extremely black and absolutely love, LOVE, Liszt.
Why are you pretending to be me? I hate Handel and all proper art music. I'm all about dat real bombass vituososlop, naw mean?
You don't even seem at all like you're taking any pleasure in trolling. This is no fun at all. Why even bother?
Not sure what you mean by trolling, you're just a nazi that hates me because I'm exceptionally black and love Liszt.
in real life you're a Venezuelan so what's the difference?
I already said I'm Ethiopian, so much of Liszt's rhythmic tunes remind me of my village drumming. He is of a similar African spirit to myself, I can feel his melanated soul singing to me, eager to shed his false exterior white skin.
bait should at least try to be believable.
You have to be melanized like all Liszt fans to understand the truth, if you are not at least a #15 or below on this graph you will never understand the genius of Liszt. Its hardcoded into our DNA, he is spiritually black.
Wow, that's a beautiful voice.
what is your major psychological malfunction? did your parents not show you enough affection when you were a child?
if anyone is curious, this set might actually be the one
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that's the first part of Sonatine, Miroirs, and Gaspard de la nuit if you wanna sample some of it
You just hate me because I'm black, beautiful, and love Liszt.
i wonder the same about you. Retard baiters will always exist but the feed on replies. Unless you are samefagging. if so then Im the retard and i should kms in shame
thank you, sister.
Cheers to the guy recommending this one as a first piece to learn piano. Beautiful and its paced enough without sounding like a baby cookie cutter beginner piece
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Schumann?
music for children I say.
Vogner.
these threads are an embarrassment to classical music.
you must be fun at parties.
t. the primary anon shitting up these threads
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does anyone happen to have the Sawallisch/Philadelphia recording of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake they can upload and share? please and thank you