Why is grunge so feminist and progressive?
Why is grunge so feminist and progressive?
To piss off internet incels 30 years later
seattle is a female rocker city
they're all mamma boys
there was some of that but mostly it was supposed to unexpected and edgy, like Bowie had been 20 years before.
Grunge era was still a time when middle-class parents would actually have believed that pumping kids full of drugs and hormones to force their bodies to grow in unnatural ways so they could become the opposite sex was a BAD idea.
That's how primative they were.
Why was grunge so goofy and not seriuos at all
Peak buttrock for retards who just discovered music last week
BUttrock was a bastardisation of grunge
Trash either way
Being progressive is…. LE BAD
This but unironically
Progressive wasn't a mainstream normie thing back then
Cobain used it to rub normies the wrong way, make them feel bad about themselves
He just liked to rile normies up any chance he'd get
And this was one theme he could use for that
mental retardation
For me, it’s regressing back to cavemen
Have any of you watched this? I thought it was weird as fuck.
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> name one social/political belief he championed that wasn't the position of the dominant cultural/political elite back then. anti-racism, feminism, pro-homo, etc. were the standard issue position of the people who ran tv, radio, higher ed, art, culture, etc. back then.
and dudes dressing like chicks has been a staple of show biz for forever. milton berle was the epitome of normie in the 50's, had the most popular tv show, and put on a dress every week on his show.
because it came out of Seattle, a notoriously faggy city
Completely untrue.
In the early 90s homo hate was prevalent.
It didn't matter what tv, radio people privately believed, they weren't going to persuade the hundreds of millions to believe something else.
That took decades to reach this stage. To believe they could just do it by snapping their fingers like that is delusional.
Why do you think Freddie Mercury and Elton John were in the closet? Because it was risky to be publicly gay
Also all this shit with women oppression was very fringe weird thing. That stuff only got mainstream post-2008 when corporations needed something to lose the bad perception that they were to blame for the crisis. So they went full woke to get the youth on their side.
Cause plant. He was a plant and I'm tired of retards pretending he wasn't
Why is OP such a faggot?
true artists have empathy
nirvana weren't grunge
1) wasn't he secretly a tranny?
2) everything that goes mainstream gets checked by the kikes
Because they were all dudes that got bullied by macho apolitical or conservative buttrocker bros (and by bullies I mean maybe called a fag as a joke one time)
he was. which is why he blew his brains out
Kurt blew his brains out due to undiagnosed lactose intolerance.
Correct, leftshit
look up flamboyantly gay cross dresser Boy George you retarded zoomer. He was the biggest music star in world, including USA in early eighties. Also, see Charlie Murphy's classic bit on the Chapelle Show about his basketball game with Prince where he states, point blank, that all dudes dressed and flounced around like chicks in the eighties because that's who got the chicks. Also, just look at how androgynous and fruity all the hair metal bands (that supposedly nirvana replaced) were in 80's.
And in general, literally every social/political position Cobain championed was the overwhelmingly dominant one in the social milieu he lived in (Seattle, Olympia). It would have actually been rebellious and risking ostracization to take the opposing position to the one he took (say, saying civil rights went too far and blacks are more racist than whites, or flouncing around 'exploring your sexuality' is a generally bad social policy as it misleads young people on how short their reproductive lives are and that they should have kids early, etc.).
I mean dude was so sheepish in following the dominant social beliefs in his environment, he had to pretend Bikini Kill was good. Good grief.
Republicans were in charge at the height of grunge. Also Seattle is very lefty anyhow.
King of Buttrock
He said a million times that he did this stuff to piss off the 'macho' dudes who used to bully him in school. All of his progressive stances were formed because he saw these views as the complete opposite to what the dickheads in his school were into.
In any case, Kurt succeeded at pissing off said people, to this very day.
Their fathers treated them like shit and then they got bullied by other dudes in school
The '90s were takin' a piss, just a bit of banter.
Are you fucking retarded? None of this was mainstream. They were just off of 8 years with REAGAN - still a conservative hero, who started the war on drugs, openly made jokes about homos and women, and the next president was George Bush Sr. Third conservative term in a row. You've never even seen that in your lifetime, on either side. Grunge was attached to 3rd wave feminism and other progressive ideas, ideas that were mostly flattened or co-opted for commercial use within just a few years anyway. The world you're stuck on that you hate was a born from the reaction to the Iraq war, all post 2000.
Humiliation ritual
Retard alert
Kurt and his crew all talked about being rejects and beat up/picked on for not being like the rest of the jocks. Idk how you can possibly think like this. Just watch teen movies from the times. Look at the music charts. Look at the clothing that was popular. They were mad that the same jocks who beat them up in high school were listening to their music, because that was all new.
Flamboyant guys were getting chicks because of something completely separate, that was built on from the androgyny and bondage of punk/early goth being adopted by the mainstream in a more colorful way. The longer you go the less direct context you have for a style or aesthetic. The idea that gay acceptance was widely embraced that early because some fucking music artists were flamboyant is delusional.
Low Initial Support:
Gallup polls in 1990 indicated that a large majority of Americans considered homosexual sex immoral. Only a small percentage supported gay marriage or even gay adoptions.
Limited Legal Recognition:
No country had yet embraced marriage equality, and the concept of same-sex marriage was largely seen as a fringe idea.
It was still less than half Americans that even thought they should get married, second republican president in a row, you still teased kids by calling them gay and joked about them dying to aids in school. Just daily casual talk. You would still get beat up if someone thought you MIGHT be gay. Just look that shit up.
because jocks are mean bullies who give me wedgies and get all the girls :(
retards, i was in college at time. pc was totally dominant then and that is essentially cobain's take on every issue.
and spare me 'bbbbut reagan, bush sr' jazz. politics is almost totally controlled by senior citizens -- they are the only ones who vote at high clips (or at least until fairly recently).
the relevant social group to compare cobain's views against isn't usa politics (again, cobain wasn't hanging with senior citizens at the time .... duh) but alternative music 'society' in particular, and pop/rock music in general. and none of his views were obviously in opposition to alt 'community' and weren't really in anyways different from any music listening college social groups (even the normie, top 40 listening variety). the only group his views may have been opposed to was redneck/non-college rock music fans and he was obviously not trying to appeal to them.
Here's a NYT article from fall 1990 talking about the overwhelmingly dominant PC dogma on campus (where most nirvana fans resided, until they broke through and got some college-bound high school fans too):
"INSTEAD of writing about literary classics and other topics, as they have in the past, freshmen at the University of Texas next fall will base their compositions on a packet of essays on discrimination, affirmative-action and civil-rights cases. The new program, called "Writing on Difference," was voted in by the faculty last month and has been praised by many professors for giving the curriculum more relevance to real-life concerns.
"there is a large body of belief in academia and elsewhere that a cluster of opinions about race, ecology, feminism, culture and foreign policy defines a kind of "correct" attitude toward the problems of the world, a sort of unofficial ideology of the university. Pressure to Conform.
"There was no challenge to such ideas as unequivocal support for affirmative action or the legitimacy of gay and lesbian studies.
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I was there and Boy George WAS NOT MAINSTREAM. He was some fringe new wave/pop figure among hundreds. He was not a big star or anything close to Freddie Mercury.
every social/political position Cobain championed was the overwhelmingly dominant one in the social milieu he lived in (Seattle, Olympia)
That might have been the case but Cobain wasn't stupid, he knew when he said something in an interview, it wasn't only the Seattle area that would read it. But a whole wide national and global audience. And normies outside the liberal niche zones were not onboard with progressive causes.
DADT wasn't initiated as a policy by Clinton until 1994, close to mid-90s. And even that was a very timid mild way of approaching the issue in a sort of sexually-agnostic way. It was far from promoting lgbt.
dude was so sheepish in following the dominant social beliefs
You don't understand shit about Cobain, just stop it. He was the complete opposite of a follow, you fool. He hated most people, why would he follow anyone? And why would he be afraid of saying outrageous things? He wasn't planning on sticking around for long
dominant PC dogma on campus
Niche zones that didn't represent the overall attitudes of the whole country
Nta but Culture Club as 100 percent mainstream. Not close to Freddie Mercury, obviously, but Boy George was pretty famous and well known.
be quiet.
"The song (Karma Chameleon) was a worldwide success, going number one in 20 countries. It also spent three weeks at number one on the US Billboard Hot 100 in early 1984, becoming the group's biggest hit and only US number-one single among their many top-10 hits. The single sold over 5 million copies globally.[9] In 2015, the song was voted by the British public as the nation's ninth favourite 1980s number one in a poll for ITV.
Niche zones
didn't represent the overall attitudes of the whole country
duh, do you think 65 year old fundies were jamming out to nirvana? but the relevant niche that cobain was appealing to - young music fans - all basically shared his social views ......... literally it was cringe to hear someone virtue signalling/preaching to the alt music choir.
early 1984
Back when the new wave craze was in full swing. The prevailing aesthetic back then was that punkish goth look with ridiculous big spiky hair and sometimes androgynous/robotic figures.
He would have easily blended in that early post-punk aesthetic without being obvious to most he was gay. After all, that period had people like Bowie, Gary Numan, Human League, who all looked in some weird androgynous way, but most of them were not gay.
Not sure what's the relevance of this for the early 90s though. Gays were illegal in the military in the US until 94-95.
Nirvana has a global success, not just on US campuses. They always toured Europe even back in Bleach days.
Hell they toured in South America, Japan, many places that were outside the Anglophone of Euro sphere. People outside the US knew a lot less about Cobain and the band, few interviews made it in the press. The USA was a much more media-crazed country where a lot more news about bands were produced and read.