Joe Strummer was no different. It was terrible the way he died...

Joe Strummer was no different. It was terrible the way he died, but it needs saying that he wasn't the savviest cultural commentator. His politics were all over the place; bluster over substance, that's what he represented. We supported The Clash in New York in 1981. Belting out naive generalizations in front of this backdrop that went from the Yorkshire Ripper to pictures of kids being coshed; all very clichéd. It was like watching the news in your living room with The Clash playing in the corner. Everybody knows it's wrong. But coming at it from that angle is pointless, thoughtless even.

The sad thing about it all is he distanced himself from his middle-class background and education, appropriated this tough heart-on-the-sleeve messenger stance so convincingly, but lacked the wit to take it anywhere fresh. He was preaching to the converted, and I don't just mean his fans, but himself as well. He daren't offend anybody, because they'd just charge him with being a phony, and he daren't look at it in a skeptical way, because then he'd be employing his privileged education. That was the crux of his problem.

Mark's right, but that's quite irrelevant when discussing music. Especially Joe's solo music. It was wonderfully sincere.

Pot calling the kettle black

The Clash

Pop-punk anti-establishment music heavily endorsed by the establishment. They were the Blink-182 or Greenday of their day.

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They were the Blink-182 or Greenday of their day.

Blink 182 or Green Day didn't make London Calling or Give Em Enough Rope or Sandinista or self titled.
The Clash had heart and soul. They were very pro-working class, anti-monarchy, establishment, capital, police, et cetera.

They were very pro-working class, anti-monarchy, establishment, capital, police, et cetera.

Mark's point is that was the problem. They were too concerned with appearance and having the "correct" politics to actually BE anti-establishment. That said they were undeniable song writers with a particularly good ear for hooks

At least Joe had positive ideas and wanted to influence change in the world. MES may have been a more legit "working class hero" but he was also a cynical bitter cunt who alienated everyone around him until he died

the fall sucks

The Fall is amazing, pleb, very powerful band. You must be a pussy as bitch.

It all sounds like a chud whining that some chads made it and they are so fake. They're not even working class but they larp as such. They don't deserve the fame, I do because I'm so smart and authentic

any band or person i meet that lists the Clash as their main influence is fucking hopeless. when they get into preaching about Joe Strummer i leave the room.
can almost say the same with Talking Heads.

Ramones and Sex Pistols were at least fun vacuous boybands.

Also I have a sub 80 IQ, if that matters

Blink-182 mog The Clash. 'fraid so.

rent free

Reminder that MES went to a private school. A shitty free grammar school in Manchester, yes, but there's a lot of projection in that comment.

Working class bongs used to be able to get into good schools if they had good grades. Now they have to go to the same schools as the future smackheads and muggers

Mark E Smith and The Fall were pretty famous in the UK during the mid-late 80s

The Clash made way poppier music. The Fall didn't try to appeal to anyone. Your bullshit narrative reminds me of how people think Buzz Osborne is jealous of Dave Grohl, as if he thought he could achieve mainstream success with Butthole Surfers covers and drawn out noise jams.

Like pottery

Pretty much that but boring ranting over boring music made by people that couldn’t play an instrument

schizo

ableist bigot

He spent his whole life railing against students when they're his entire fan base. No wonder he drank and sniffed himself to death, cool guy though I like some Fall songs.

t. hypocrite schizo

what "room" lol. don't pretend you've had these conversations anywhere other than online.

youtube.com/watch?v=j6VrY66_UJ8

You are a queer and you need to return to reddit

You only like the fall because MES was a chud

H really wasn't though, he openly loathed Neo-Nazis and called fascists "faggots" directly to their face lol. He just didn't have the normie psued politics that everyone does these days

so a chud

Its my favourite band but tbqh he started hitting the booze hard in the mid 90s and was never the same. You are judging a guy who's best stuff was late 70s to early 90s by a 2010 performance. Not the same thing.

projection

For a low IQ reactionary like you? Sure

he started hitting the booze hard in the mid 90s

He was hitting the booze, speed and weed hard the whole time, by the mid 90s it finally caught up to him

I know a solution that would make everyone happy: he should post it all on the kpop general

Good idea

another based mark take, nothing new

the correct take

another alright take

also, amazing fit