Joe Strummer was no different. It was terrible the way he died...

Joe Strummer was no different. It was terrible the way he died, but it needs saying that he wasn't the savviest cultural commentator. His politics were all over the place; bluster over substance, that's what he represented. We supported The Clash in New York in 1981. Belting out naive generalizations in front of this backdrop that went from the Yorkshire Ripper to pictures of kids being coshed; all very clichéd. It was like watching the news in your living room with The Clash playing in the corner. Everybody knows it's wrong. But coming at it from that angle is pointless, thoughtless even.

The sad thing about it all is he distanced himself from his middle-class background and education, appropriated this tough heart-on-the-sleeve messenger stance so convincingly, but lacked the wit to take it anywhere fresh. He was preaching to the converted, and I don't just mean his fans, but himself as well. He daren't offend anybody, because they'd just charge him with being a phony, and he daren't look at it in a skeptical way, because then he'd be employing his privileged education. That was the crux of his problem.

Mark's right, but that's quite irrelevant when discussing music. Especially Joe's solo music. It was wonderfully sincere.

Pot calling the kettle black

The Clash

Pop-punk anti-establishment music heavily endorsed by the establishment. They were the Blink-182 or Greenday of their day.

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Obviously you don't know the meaning of that expression.

They were the Blink-182 or Greenday of their day.

Blink 182 or Green Day didn't make London Calling or Give Em Enough Rope or Sandinista or self titled.
The Clash had heart and soul. They were very pro-working class, anti-monarchy, establishment, capital, police, et cetera.

They were very pro-working class, anti-monarchy, establishment, capital, police, et cetera.

Mark's point is that was the problem. They were too concerned with appearance and having the "correct" politics to actually BE anti-establishment. That said they were undeniable song writers with a particularly good ear for hooks

At least Joe had positive ideas and wanted to influence change in the world. MES may have been a more legit "working class hero" but he was also a cynical bitter cunt who alienated everyone around him until he died

the fall sucks

The Fall is amazing, pleb, very powerful band. You must be a pussy as bitch.

It all sounds like a chud whining that some chads made it and they are so fake. They're not even working class but they larp as such. They don't deserve the fame, I do because I'm so smart and authentic

any band or person i meet that lists the Clash as their main influence is fucking hopeless. when they get into preaching about Joe Strummer i leave the room.
can almost say the same with Talking Heads.

Ramones and Sex Pistols were at least fun vacuous boybands.

Also I have a sub 80 IQ, if that matters

Blink-182 mog The Clash. 'fraid so.

rent free

Reminder that MES went to a private school. A shitty free grammar school in Manchester, yes, but there's a lot of projection in that comment.

Working class bongs used to be able to get into good schools if they had good grades. Now they have to go to the same schools as the future smackheads and muggers

Mark E Smith and The Fall were pretty famous in the UK during the mid-late 80s

The Clash made way poppier music. The Fall didn't try to appeal to anyone. Your bullshit narrative reminds me of how people think Buzz Osborne is jealous of Dave Grohl, as if he thought he could achieve mainstream success with Butthole Surfers covers and drawn out noise jams.

The Clash were world famous

Mark e smith/ fall schizo spams the board daily and almost nobody notices because the fall is so boring

He digs repetition.

Mark Smith is a trust fund baby

Probably the biggest retard in the post punk scene

Belting out naive generalizations in front of this backdrop that went from the Yorkshire Ripper to pictures of kids being coshed; all very clichéd. It was like watching the news in your living room with The Clash playing in the corner.

Many such cases, and the average "alternative music enthusiast" schlocks it up like a good little retard. I'd pay good money to see The Fall live one more time, people fail to realise how far ahead of their time they were at any time. They wrote him off as some alkie hobo in the 90s, which was not far off I suppose given his personal circumstances, but some of the music from that era is till this day unparalleled.

That book is one big shitpost btw

If by “ahead of their time” you mean “boring and actually not ahead of their time” then sure. This band just isn’t interesting

Yes the Fall influenced many bands because they were dated and not interesting at all.
Shut the hell up, faggot lol

I've never listened to the Fall. Never felt compelled to. I don't know why. I don't even know what they sound like. I imagine he rants incoherently over the music? That's what he did on Gorillaz track Glitter Freeze.

Keep seething schizo. You only like the fall because MES was a chud

Its my favourite band but tbqh he started hitting the booze hard in the mid 90s and was never the same. You are judging a guy who's best stuff was late 70s to early 90s by a 2010 performance. Not the same thing.

projection

For a low IQ reactionary like you? Sure

he started hitting the booze hard in the mid 90s

He was hitting the booze, speed and weed hard the whole time, by the mid 90s it finally caught up to him

I know a solution that would make everyone happy: he should post it all on the kpop general

Good idea

another based mark take, nothing new

the correct take

another alright take

also, amazing fit