Guy was barely a singer. He basically just spoke into a microphone in a talking sort of way disguised as singing and pre-boomers ate that shit up in droves.
Guy was barely a singer...
Record yourself talking in this fashion
Not quite. He was a perfectionist and often recorded tens of takes, live with an orchestra, to get every nuance just right. A remarkable artist; his longevity speaks for itself.
he's a Mafia funded trust babby
so he invented rap
Rap is closer to really early outlaw country and spoken word records like Mohammed Ali "I am the Greatest" or Gil Scott Heron
Iceberg Slim’s spoken word albums predate both those frauds
Money Laundering scam in human form
nah, it's worse than rap.
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you saying he couldn't sing?
I don't consider that great singing.
Not him but post what you consider good singing. I'm genuinely curious.
Well you know this was the 1940s. It was almost 80 years ago. I think his art was too subtle and intimate for 21st century ears where we've been brought up to accept everything as loud and in your face as possible.
Country music is over 100 years old they did everything
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rap was invented before Frank
Sounds like singing to me kek
OP thinks this isn't singing
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Sinatra's style was cutting edge in his day. Some of his songs are 'half spoken' in parts because he was taking advantage of better recording technology to use the mic as an instrument in itself. Before Sinatra you had a lot of singers who sounded like Vaughn Monroe, that was the style at the time.
Him and Bing Crosby changed all that.
He could project a lot volume without making much effort. It's not easy.
When he first started basically all white guy singers and a good percentage of black singers copied Bing Crosby. Sinatra got attention for the very reason that he didn't sound like Crosby.
But even with that seemingly spoke voice, it was still loud singing. Compare to him to Elvis, who is still mostly singing in the mouth/throat. You can barely hear Elvis. Elvis got a lot more powerful with his whole body though and trained after he got out of the military.
Dean Martin mogs. His music actually has energy to it and won't make you fall asleep.
won't make you fall asleep.
Sounds like a personal problem. Dean knew who the Chairman was.
the sound that he developed with Axel Stordahl on those 40s Columbia discs became almost the de-facto style everyone in pop did for a number of years (ie. weepy love man/woman ballad with strings). in fact it became so overused that Sinatra himself fell off in the late 40s-early 50s because he'd lost his uniqueness.
manlet
worse looking
girls screaming when the other guy starts singing
It's over, Sinatrabros.....
that's life
I agree, it's a difficult thing to do, similarly his ability to go higher in his range and still seem relaxed, where a lot of singers would have to shout to project the notes which isn't always the best sound for the song
His 1940s recordings are better than his later stuff where he settled into his schtick and everything sounds the same and talk-y like you say
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Weird esl moment
Elvis rizz levels are unreal, for sure. But Frank was really skilled in a subtle way.
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It was all too common back then to do this Night at the Metropolitan bullshit. I don't blame Christgau for hating this era of music in a way.
His 1940s recordings are better than his later stuff where he settled into his schtick and everything sounds the same and talk-y like you say
That will have been when the Reprise era started in the 60s. Yes he was getting older by then and also a bit lazier.
great singing.
But you do consider it singing.
Kay Starr, Eydie Gorme, and Teresa Brewer were the queens of 50s vocal overkill.
I mean, I wasn't being literal when I said he wasn't singing at all. It just seemed like he was more style over substance and his "singing" is pretty mediocre for such a high-profile artist.
He basically just spoke into a microphone in a talking sort of way disguised as singing
Ahuh.
It just seemed like he was more style over substance and
I don't think you know what style over substance is.
Protip, it's this.
well he did have a talkey style of singing and multiple people in the thread have confirmed, saying it was more of his later stuff.
now among other of his contemporaries Peggy Lee was somewhat also distinct for not belting but she didn't have Frank's power and just stuck to a low to mid register most of the time
I don't think you know what style over substance is.
to me it's when the audience likes the person more than the art and they mistake it as the art being good.
radio programmers loved Patti Page because her singing was inoffensive and workmanlike
Doesn’t that just mean manlets that aren’t good looking can become famous, wealthy and influential if skilled?
STEP ASIDE FAGGOTS
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Italians have an immunity to the downfalls of manlet-ness and baldness.
Is Bruno Mars Italian as well?
I think he's a "Blasian" or something.
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now that's Capitol-era Frank at the peak of his powers. great arrangement and perfect sense of dynamics.
right
Another member of the legion of 50s musical evil along with
it's worse than rap
posts one of the best songs ever put to wax
he was at his youngest and had his best vocal tone in the Columbia era but all those records sound pretty much the same and lack the electicism of his later output.
He was the first guy to have teenyboppers screaming at his concerts. He was the first modern teen idol. They called them Bobbysoxers or something. People don't know their history at all (zoomers with a high sense of self worth with an arrogant attitude thinking they know everything) and don't realize how huge and important this guy really was esp pre- Elvis. You young early 20s people can be really retarded
Yep. Blacks cant admit this but it's true.
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As anon said everyone imitated Sinatra for a few years in the late 40s-early 50s.
Why were all the greats back allowed to be so sad? Singsfor Only the Lonely. No One Cares. I Who Have Nothing by Tom Jones.
you had to do weepy songs to prove you were a serious artist. but also singers preferred doing this material because it afforded more opportunity to flex their vocal skills than fast songs did.
"AL! LETS HAVE SEX!"
Normally I would agree that champagne jazz like that of Lawrence Welk or Sinatra is completely insufferable, but then you somehow managed to post one of the few actual gems that vapid genre ever managed to produce. Good job.
song sucks.
Nah, dude. It was in Evangelion, so it's kino. Actual Sinatra-schlock like I Get No Kick From Champagne could never make it into based mecha anime.
I can’t believe niggas is in here hating on Frank Sinatra, Old Blue Eyes, Dino Spimoni
being in anime somehow makes it good
But enough about Johnny Rotten.......
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But enough about Bob Dylan.
UNPLUG THE FUCKER ALREADY
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So many bad opinions ITT it's like Reddit
He doesn't have much range but it goes to show there are much more important things to making a likeable performance - Billie Holiday only sang like ten different notes in her whole career yet she is revered
Psychedelia didn't exist yet so there was no institutionalized form of actual art music to compare it to lol. Same thing that allowed Jazz to survive as long as it did in the first place or vocal jazz or whatever whitewashed TOTALLY SEPERABLE genre this is. Then like Jimi Hendrix and The VU and shit happened so nobody gave a fuck anymore.Now that the average zoomer is growing up in a total void of culture it might seem appealing again.
Yeah, he was insanely based and he dicked down Ava Gardner, one of the hottest women ever.
He did it his way
barely a singer
what do you consider a singer?
Frank was still great even being an odd fit in the 60s.
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Try to sing and sound like Sinatra.
Won't happen.
I can do a good Bing Crosby
You would have swimmed in pussy if you were born a 100 years ago
How is that not singing lol
If you were standing next to me while I sang this: voca.ro
I'd blow your eardrums out.