Rachmaninoff edition.
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Joyce was famous for his contrarianism, so that when Wagner became popular and no-longer avant-garde Joyce felt that he could no longer publicly enjoy his music. Very often he would praise Wagner in the company of Wagnerites and criticise Wagner in the company of anti-Wagnerites. But that Wagner exerted a lifelong influence on Joyce is undeniable.
By 1920 his library included fifteen books by or about Wagner and many others in which Wagner figures importantly. Only Shakespeare occupied more space on Joyce's shelves. In addition to the five individual operas already mentioned, his collection included a book of librettos (now lost), volume 1 of Ellis' translation of the Prose Works, the notorious Judaism in Music, the widely read Letters to August Roeckel, a two-volume edition of letters to Minna Wagner, and five studies of Wagner or introductions to his work, including the aforementioned Perfect Wagnerite and Nietzsche's The Case of Wagner and Nietzsche contra Wagner.
Finnegans Wake has more references to Wagner than any of Joyce's other works, because in it Wagner's Tristan and Ring become fundamental structural elements for the whole novel. While in A Portrait and Ulysses there are only references to Wagner in connection with the vitalist philosophy of Stephen Dedalus which comes almost directly out of Wagner's Feuerbachian writings, and parallels what Joyce wrote as a young Wagnerian in 'Drama and Life'. In Exiles too there are references. But the 'theme' of Tristan und Isolde, and the overarching cyclical plot of the Ring, are everywhere in Finnegans Wake.
Very often he would praise Wagner in the company of Wagnerites and criticise Wagner in the company of anti-Wagnerites.
Oops, meant to say other way around.
I recommend more Rossini to everyone
greatly appreciated wagnersister
classical
no riffs lmao
not /classical/, try instead
Let's look at sometimes maligned or shirked figures in classical music: Franz Joseph Haydn and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. Both, among academics, are considered to be among the greatest composers of all time. Among much of the public, however, they are known more for making "easy-listening" parlor tunes or music for babies than for creating high art. It's inarguable that the raw emotional content in Beethovian symphonies or Schubertian lied is much more accentuated than the comparably subtle piano concertos of Mozart or string quartets of Haydn, but people often forget that the former two wrote their best music 15-30 years after the latter. Beethoven is as much a contemporary of Haydn/Mozart as Radiohead a contemporary of Zappa.
Comparing these two groups is not fair, then. Instead, we should compare Haydn and Mozart to their actual contemporaries: names like Vanhal, Stamitz, Hoffmeister and so on. You've probably never heard these names in your life; or, if you have, it wasn't a particularly impressive work that you heard. That's because these composers were very focused on formula while Haydn and Mozart were focused on moving forward. Haydn in particular is almost entirely credited with nurturing the symphonic form into what it's been known for up to this day, whereas Mozart was known for (comparably) rather avantgarde tendencies in shifting around form and harmony. Once again: there is no comparison between what is accomplished in Mozart's Clarinet Concerto and the myriad of Clarinet Concerti by Stamitz.
What we see then is that, even in the most tuneworthy of composers, there must be innovation; ever since Beethoven, innovation has been an absolute component of "classic composer status". Wagner, Debussy, Stravinsky, Bartok, and Schoenberg were all innovators the same as Haydn and Mozart. There is not a single Common Practice composer who is fondly and widely remembered solely for their enjoyable melodies, and not for their innovations.
schubert has more riffs than altars of madness
only 12 tones
attempts to expand it are failures, even music academics see it as pathetic
No more progression is needed. Let's all kill ourselves one by one. Excellence was already attained. Wagner achieved everything there was to achieve. From this moment onwards I will start pouring libations in the honor of Dionysus and Wagner.
He’s not much like Stanford and Parry at all. Much more chromatic and clearly post-Wagnerian. Bax is strange in that he sounds very diffuse and colouristic at first but actually is quite formally tight if you listen closely. Need to be in right mood for it since he is typically late Romantic, thickly orchestrated and ambiguous harmony. Start with tone poems like Tintagel, November Woods, The Garden of Fand, etc. and if you like them then try the symphonies, which are thornier. 2 and 3 seem to be the most broadly liked. There was a late one I liked last time I listened through to Bax, maybe 6.
no riffs lmao
Uneducated cope lmao
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mogged by master of puppets
Wagner is Romeo.
so true wagnersisters
not /classical/, try instead
thank you shitposter sister
thanks schizo sister
bait should be believable.
dogma
taking a big shit on the Mona Lisa is progress.
for the art of the ninja it would be, for it would take supreme stealth and cunning
Dogma should be defensible
Ritual should be repeatable
Liturgy should be legible
Belief should be beautiful
What fulfils these conditions in the decadent modern world in which "God is Dead"? Answer: the holy poetry of Richard Wagner and his "Sacred Festival Stage Play" which transforms and supersedes religion.
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what's the difference between being dead and being Dead?
a capitalization
Back to psych ward insomniac
Do you listen to classical music while doing something else or do you stop everything to focus on it?
I play symphonies in my head when I'm cleaning.
implying I listen to it
Stop to focus on it unless I'm very familiar with the piece. So 50/50.
I listen to Ferneyhough while gooning
degenerate art for a degenerate act. how fitting.
Banger. One of my favorites.
What would Schoenberg think of the state of contemporary classical music?