Emissary of Satan edition.
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most people who have Mahler as their favorite composer are insane
normie
damn I was in the process of making a Dvorak edition. Took too long deciding on the picture I guess.
Dvorak 4 performed by Neumann/Czech Phil.
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You misspelled "Wagner" and "deviants"
Be glad we got the best edition yet!
Oh damn, RIP. I actually listened to and posted some of his symphonies the other month here. Sad.
Per Nørgård Obituary: 'The contemporary music world has lost an artist of colossal imagination and influence'
With the death of Per Nørgård at the age of 92 following a long illness, Nordic music has lost a patriarchal figure and the wider contemporary music world has lost an artist of colossal imagination and influence.
Nørgård leaves behind more than 100 hours of music created over seven decades, ranging from symphonies and sinfonietta works to solo and chamber music, film music, theatre music and cross-genre music. His teaching at the Aarhus Conservatory in Denmark helped shape the minds of a generation of composers, among them Hans Abrahamsen and Bent Sørensen. Thomas Adès, Wolfgang Rihm, Poul Ruders, Esa-Pekka Salonen, Sven-David Sandström and Britta Byström are among those who have cited him as an influence.
Nørgård performed his own songs from his childhood in the Copenhagen suburbs, with his family as an audience. He was later taught privately by Vagn Holmboe before studying at the Royal Danish Academy of Music from 1952-55 with Holmboe, Finn Høffding and Hermann D Koppel, after which he took lessons from Nadia Boulanger in Paris.
Once described by Gramophone’s Richard Whitehouse as the ‘greatest living symphonist,’ Nørgård’s early belief in music’s most structurally integral form was consolidated in his early twenties, when he initiated a fruitful correspondence with Jean Sibelius. Nørgård regarded Sibelius’s symphonies as being ‘in touch with the timeless forces of existence, with nature in the broadest sense.’ He set about taking that idea forward at a time when the symphony was out of fashion and European modernism was stuck in a rut.
and it continues
Let's pretend it's a Dvorak edition anyway, seeing as the OP edition is shit
eat shit OP
lmfao
now playing, in honor of Per Nørgård
start of Nørgård: Symphony No. 3
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start of Nørgård: Symphony No. 7
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The world premiere recording of Per Norgard's Seventh Symphony is being released by Dacapo, with a new recording of the Third Symphony, also by Thomas Dausgaard with the Danish National Symphony Orchestra. Regarded as the leading contemporary voice in Danish music, Per Norgard (b. 1932) sees his symphonies as 'reports on the state of the universe'. The new work is a constantly surprising tapestry of interweaving motifs and innovations, reaching for coherence in a web of disparate energies. Norgard has always had an intense interest in the music of Sibelius, regarding his work as highly innovative, in polyphony and rhythmic displacements, and in tensions between details and overall form. These influences are especially evident in his Third Symphony, regarded as one of the classic works of modern Danish music.
inb4 it's some contemporary classical garbo
Nah, I got some optimism. RIP to a monumental composer and artist.
Right, so over the course of that past few hours I've been comparing Brahms's Requiem as conducted by Klemperer, Kegel and Gardiner, as well as Kubelik and Karajan because it's been a while since I listened to them. Gardiner I was immediately unpleasantly surprised by. Very low-energy, thin sound like instruments are missing or lost in the mix, generally very meagre and weak.
Kegel I'm most pleased by, but I had forgotten how good Karajan and Kubelik are. I'll spend a longer while pitting these three against eachother, though so far Karajan has the advantage on the more dense, dramatic moments (and the recording quality), while the other two have better tempos and Kegel has better soloists. All three are better than Klemperer in terms of recording quality and seem to be roughly equally as good in terms of performance, so it's going to take me a while to make up my mind.
Funny how it's all Ks though. What K do y'all prefer?
Per Norgard died last night
nobody in the general has so much as mentioned this
What the hell?
There's still time!
Are you blind or just stupid?
Karajan's in my favorite, but I'm a big K-man fanboy. But can't go wrong with the other two you named.
are you calling them normies? because Mahler is an extremely popular composer especially amongst people who aren't into classical.
Who?
To be fair, I made my posts in response to theirs in the previous thread.
He's clearly calling a normie, genius
no Hickox like I told you to
your soul shall burst in flames for your crimes
especially amongst people who aren't into classical.
How can people tolerate hour long symphonies if they "aren't into classical"? If they like Mahler, then they like classical.
yes but that response makes no sense at all so I gave him the benefit of the doubt
Yeah I'm startig to lean towards Karajan. A bit embarrassed since it was Karajan who was replaced by Klemperer in my playlist all those years ago. Still trying to decide whether Kegel and Kubelik are better, though. It's hard.
Nah, I respect the rules and process; whomever is first wins.
NTA but I listened to it. It was pretty good. Nothing special, though there is some fierce competition among recordings of the work so that's fine, as it was still an enjoyable, gorgeous experience.
For me it's: Kegel > Klemperer's mono recording > Klemperer Stereo > Karajan
Mahler doesn't represent even 0,1% of all classical music. Liking Mahler does not mean you "like classical".
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It makes perfect sense. It's very normie to think that "most people who have Mahler as their favorite composer are insane. It's the kind of shit that someone who thinks Liszt is scary and Bach is boring would say
Hey, like I always try to tell people here, tastes change over time. Hence why I'm always talking about and advocating for revisiting recordings.
I listened to him, and also Shaw, but neither were nearly as good as the ones I'm trying out now (except Gardiner, what a disappointment)
Nah, I respect the rules and process; whomever is first wins.
That's what Franz Von Papen said when Hitler won the election
Next up, the ponderous, weighty Giulini and tender Rattle and the plain yet technically flawless Blomstedt.
To be perfectly honest, I'll most likely just end up reverting to Karajan.
This. Most of the teenagers I've known who are 'into classical' pretty much only cared about Chopin, Rachmaninoff or Mahler. He's major normie core.
People who like Mahler are at least familiar with Beethoven's 9th, Mozart's 40th, Chopin's nocturnes, sonata, Wagner (at least the famous parts), Rachmaninoff's concertos or Schubert lieder.
Either way, there's no 'threshold' that makes you a "classical fan"
That is, unless I just decide in the end it's not worth switching from Klemperer at all
Chopin and Rach, yeah; Mahler is more college undergrad. In any case, who cares.
Which is why it's a normie thing to say that people who have Mahler among their favourites are "insane"
Well, I think listening to differing and well-executed recordings is still worth the time and experience even if they're inferior to your favorite, but it seems a lot of people here disagree with that notion these days, so you whatever works best for you. For example, Karajan's is also my favorite but if I wanted to listen to the German Requiem tonight, I'd look at a bunch of recordings aside from Karajan's and decide amongst them which I wanted to listen to, but that's how I do things.
normie
it's "normalfag" you fuckin normalfag
Pretty sure we've had this conversation before. I like to listen to a number of different recordings, for sure, but at the end of the day I try to "settle down" with one that I find best. Sure, tastes change as you said, and that's why right now after all these years I'm willing to give other recordings a try, but not because I plan on cycling through different ones every time I want to listen to the Requiem, but rather, as it were, to find a new (and hopefully better) "wife" after a "friendly divorce".
Man, these similes are getting creepier.
For sure, that makes sense.
midwit
no u
Kill yourself, mongo
no i don't think i will, thanks anyway.
i don't think
I'm aware, mongo
Guys, settle down and show some respect please, we're at a funeral.
RIP
his symphony 1 performed by Sakari Oramo/Vienna Phil
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All the best funerals are rowdy
wow, did you take a few words of my post out of context? wow i should have chosen my words more carefully, you got me.
Kill yourself, mongo
no
what is the best classical music i can play at my funeral after i kill myself?
anon you would not be able to play it cause you would be dead
Yeah, sadly no perfect set exists. Ashkenazy and Szidon (great fantaisie by him, btw) are your best bet for the sonatas, and Zhukov is definitely interesting and underrated. For the real magic, you mostly go for Sofronitsky and Richter, but they have several recordings of various pieces. There's definitely a lot of no-names. Lettberg and Ponti don't cut it, and I have to give Alexeev a listen again, especially the sonatas.
Thanks for confirming.
Wagner (at least the famous parts)
You'd be surprised. That Two Set Violin youtube channel seemed totally unfamiliar with the Liebestod when a singer showed it to them, stating that they don't like opera, but I'm pretty sure they've performed and like Mahler. There's a giant subset of classical listeners with this taste.
Looking for any album like this
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Hurwitzsisters...
"at least the famous parts" probably means flight of the walkiries and the tristan chord though
What? Dave Hurwitz is gay? Who could have seen this coming?
he's JEWISH?
who fucking cares, schizo
he's bald
are you literally a newborn baby
Schubert
no that's Arrau
no hair
glasses
beard
he is a basedjak
Shostakovich walked so Schnittke could spread his wings and fly.
is there any actually good youtube channels that review different recordings?
Emissary of Satan edition
based
Both are shit
more like Shitakovich and Shittke amirite?